From kel at edugator.net.au Tue Jul 1 02:51:03 2008 From: kel at edugator.net.au (kel@edugator.net.au) Date: Tue Jul 1 02:49:34 2008 Subject: [Maced] NECC blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080701025103.21454byy67ltbny8@webmail.netregistry.net> Hello folks Currently in San Antonio Texas at the NECC conference. Over 15 000 teacher attending. If you would like to follow my blog to see what's happening them mosey on over to : http://gator.edublogs.org/ Cheers Kel From danosmo at ozemail.com.au Tue Jul 1 07:06:42 2008 From: danosmo at ozemail.com.au (Daniel Osmolowski) Date: Tue Jul 1 07:05:16 2008 Subject: [Maced] Vob to .mov In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MPEG Streamclip does it and a whole lot more. The best freeware app out there. http://www.squared5.com/ Daniel Osmolowski English; Film, Television and New Media Teacher Capalaba State College Education Queensland ph: 07 38239111 fax: 07 38239100 email: dosmo1@eq.edu.au On 30/06/2008, at 9:53 PM, Anthony Citino wrote: > Does anyone know of a freebie app that will convert a .VOB file to > quicktime (any format .mp4, .mov etc) > > > anthony citino > 0401 808 202 > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/1f53840d/attachment.html From kel at edugator.net.au Tue Jul 1 08:06:21 2008 From: kel at edugator.net.au (kel@edugator.net.au) Date: Tue Jul 1 08:04:51 2008 Subject: [Maced] Comic Life and Comic Magiq In-Reply-To: <6D7AE5B8-011A-1000-D308-BA2A26F31853-Webmail-10010@mac.com> References: <6D7AE5B8-011A-1000-D308-BA2A26F31853-Webmail-10010@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080701080621.127644imhz15az0g@webmail.netregistry.net> Hi Brenda Mahiq is a seperate program to Comic Life. Have have only had a brief look at it but looks interesting. Cheers Kel Quoting Brenda Sumner : > Hi > > Comic Magiq looks great. > Does this replace Comic Life Delux on mac or is it so different that > I need (want) both. > ----------- > Brenda Sumner > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > From iano at uow.edu.au Tue Jul 1 09:45:08 2008 From: iano at uow.edu.au (Ian Olney) Date: Tue Jul 1 09:42:59 2008 Subject: [Maced] Printer for Home Message-ID: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> Hi All My home printer is now defunked - Any suggestions for a flexible printer for home use MFP? laser colour/b/w? ethernet - maybe? Saw this in Macworld ad from Designwise Multi Func, A4 Mono Laser Printer WC3119 Print/Copy/Scan $145 ? Ideal for Home or Small Of? ce ? Printer, Copier & Scanner. Up to 18 ppm ? Print/copy resolution: 600 x 600 dpi ? Scan in colour direct to your PC ? A4, Paper capacity: 251 sheets ? Crazy Price, Limited Offer, While Stocks last. ? Includes 3 Year Onsite Warranty Offer maybe finished 30 June?? Anyone had any dealings with one? Ta Ian _______________________________________________ Dr. Ian Olney Lecturer- Information Technology in Education Faculty of Education University of Wollongong Northfields Avenue Wollongong NSW 2522 Australia Ph 61+0242213250 Fax 61+0242213892 E-Mail Ian_Olney@uow.edu.au > > Del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/ianolney > Skype Address: iano6666 > iChat Address: ianolney@mac.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/d2c98f01/attachment-0001.html From quentin at highway1.com.au Tue Jul 1 09:55:06 2008 From: quentin at highway1.com.au (Quentin Hall) Date: Tue Jul 1 09:53:40 2008 Subject: [Maced] Printer for Home In-Reply-To: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> References: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> Message-ID: <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> Dear Ian, If for mainly photo's look at the MX range of the Canon's (then they have other models which are networkable as well if required). They just work. Have separate colours for each ink (with the "mid-range" anyway - the el-cheapo's have the black and "3 in 1" colour cartridge). Lasers - leave the HP's alone - I've had a terrible run with their AIO's (all in ones). In fact I just got India to take one back it was so bad that it wouldn't even choose the trays. That took me over a month of "tech support" (tech frustration and how to repeat the same story twice a week). It was their software - again. The hardware is normally good but their software is, well, horrible. It's also "bloat ware" size downloads (Printer driver/scanner 700 Mb sort of thing - what are they doing???). The Brother MFC series (Mono and Colour) all do what they say but the colour photo's always look better on an Inkjet - just one of those things. I just got the MFC Colour one myself and I'm delighted I can even scan from my laptop (why????). Still, it just works. Consumables aren't stupidly priced. Regards Q On 01/07/2008, at 7:45 AM, Ian Olney wrote: > Hi All > > My home printer is now defunked - > Any suggestions for a flexible printer for home use > MFP? > laser colour/b/w? > ethernet - maybe? > > Saw this in Macworld ad from Designwise > Multi Func, A4 Mono Laser Printer > WC3119 Print/Copy/Scan $145 > ? Ideal for Home or Small Of? ce > ? Printer, Copier & Scanner. Up to 18 ppm > ? Print/copy resolution: 600 x 600 dpi > ? Scan in colour direct to your PC > ? A4, Paper capacity: 251 sheets > ? Crazy Price, Limited Offer, While Stocks last. ? Includes 3 > Year Onsite Warranty > > Offer maybe finished 30 June?? > > Anyone had any dealings with one? > > Ta > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dr. Ian Olney > Lecturer- Information Technology in Education > Faculty of Education > University of Wollongong > Northfields Avenue > Wollongong NSW 2522 > Australia > Ph 61+0242213250 > Fax 61+0242213892 > E-Mail Ian_Olney@uow.edu.au >> >> Del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/ianolney >> Skype Address: iano6666 >> iChat Address: ianolney@mac.com >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/0f6bb3a9/attachment.html From quentin at highway1.com.au Tue Jul 1 09:55:10 2008 From: quentin at highway1.com.au (Quentin Hall) Date: Tue Jul 1 09:53:42 2008 Subject: [Maced] MacOS Updates 10.5.4 Message-ID: Dear All, Ah, yes, another 561 Mb combo upgrade. I haven't even LOOKED at the other bits (Safari, Security Updates) also released. Me thinks maybe somethings we are "about to get" are rolled into this "ever so quickly upgraded version from the last". ISP's are rubbing their hands with glee for "Download Overload" charges! Regards Q From jbradley at internode.on.net Tue Jul 1 10:04:40 2008 From: jbradley at internode.on.net (Jason Bradley) Date: Tue Jul 1 10:03:12 2008 Subject: [Maced] MacOS Updates 10.5.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6250944D-0C65-4B46-B943-251250A85096@internode.on.net> Especially if you have the "download in background" checked! Even better was the Adobe CS3 update which launched by stealth yesterday and immediately started downloading the 500Mb update WITHOUT even asking me. Cheers Jason On 01/07/2008, at 9:25 AM, Quentin Hall wrote: > Dear All, > > > Ah, yes, another 561 Mb combo upgrade. I haven't even LOOKED at the > other bits (Safari, Security Updates) also released. > > Me thinks maybe somethings we are "about to get" are rolled into > this "ever so quickly upgraded version from the last". > > ISP's are rubbing their hands with glee for "Download Overload" > charges! > > > > Regards > > > Q > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced ********************************** "Remember half the people you know are below average." Jason Bradley IT Manager Broken Hill High School Broken Hill NSW 2880 http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au Ph: (08) 80881522 Mobile: 0430 165 955 Fax: 0880878267 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** From williams.carl.c at edumail.vic.gov.au Tue Jul 1 10:40:52 2008 From: williams.carl.c at edumail.vic.gov.au (Carl Williams) Date: Tue Jul 1 10:39:25 2008 Subject: [Maced] Printer for Home In-Reply-To: <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> References: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> Message-ID: I bought a Canon MX700 multifunction recently. A nice printer generally, and high quality printing except for 2 glaring fax problems. FIrstly, the fax has a nasty habit of cutting in on every voice call, even with the options carefully set to not do this. Research on the internet indicates this is a common problem. I have to leave the phone line detached from the machine. Back to the repairer when I can do without a printer for a few weeks! Secondly, it doesn't have a fax-from-computer option, meaning you have to print a document from your computer in order to fax it from the same machine you just printed from. Unfortunately I didn't pick up either of these deficiencies in the extensive research I did before buying. I only sold my (previous) HP multifunction because it was unclear whether they were going to update drivers for Leopard. They did that, of course, a week after I sold the printer. Anyway, this means I can't recommend the MX's if you need the fax option. Carl. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Carl Williams East Doncaster Secondary College 20 George St East Doncaster VIC 3109 Ph. 03 9842 2244 Fax 03 9841 8010 williams.carl.c@edumail.vic.gov.au ------------------------------------------------------------------ On 01/07/2008, at 9:55 AM, Quentin Hall wrote: > Dear Ian, > > > If for mainly photo's look at the MX range of the Canon's (then they > have other models which are networkable as well if required). They > just work. Have separate colours for each ink (with the "mid-range" > anyway - the el-cheapo's have the black and "3 in 1" colour > cartridge). > > Lasers - leave the HP's alone - I've had a terrible run with their > AIO's (all in ones). In fact I just got India to take one back it > was so bad that it wouldn't even choose the trays. That took me > over a month of "tech support" (tech frustration and how to repeat > the same story twice a week). It was their software - again. The > hardware is normally good but their software is, well, horrible. > It's also "bloat ware" size downloads (Printer driver/scanner 700 Mb > sort of thing - what are they doing???). > > The Brother MFC series (Mono and Colour) all do what they say but > the colour photo's always look better on an Inkjet - just one of > those things. I just got the MFC Colour one myself and I'm > delighted I can even scan from my laptop (why????). Still, it just > works. Consumables aren't stupidly priced. > > > > > > Regards > > > Q > > > > > On 01/07/2008, at 7:45 AM, Ian Olney wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> My home printer is now defunked - >> Any suggestions for a flexible printer for home use >> MFP? >> laser colour/b/w? >> ethernet - maybe? >> >> Saw this in Macworld ad from Designwise >> Multi Func, A4 Mono Laser Printer >> WC3119 Print/Copy/Scan $145 >> ? Ideal for Home or Small Of? ce >> ? Printer, Copier & Scanner. Up to 18 ppm >> ? Print/copy resolution: 600 x 600 dpi >> ? Scan in colour direct to your PC >> ? A4, Paper capacity: 251 sheets >> ? Crazy Price, Limited Offer, While Stocks last. ? Includes 3 >> Year Onsite Warranty >> >> Offer maybe finished 30 June?? >> >> Anyone had any dealings with one? >> >> Ta >> >> Ian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Dr. Ian Olney >> Lecturer- Information Technology in Education >> Faculty of Education >> University of Wollongong >> Northfields Avenue >> Wollongong NSW 2522 >> Australia >> Ph 61+0242213250 >> Fax 61+0242213892 >> E-Mail Ian_Olney@uow.edu.au >>> >>> Del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/ianolney >>> Skype Address: iano6666 >>> iChat Address: ianolney@mac.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/a00d0f30/attachment-0001.html From wulguru.wantok at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 12:15:03 2008 From: wulguru.wantok at gmail.com (John Feltham) Date: Tue Jul 1 12:13:51 2008 Subject: [Maced] Telstra is onboard for iPhones In-Reply-To: <00D1917D-3D4A-494C-8CCD-64B558DEDBE2@highway1.com.au> References: <00D1917D-3D4A-494C-8CCD-64B558DEDBE2@highway1.com.au> Message-ID: <3161D25D-9214-43A5-A1EE-1C17F8185D98@Gmail.com> G'day folks, On 30/06/2008, at 8:37 PM, Quentin Hall wrote: << It appears that Telstra today has announced a deal with Apple to be the 3rd iPhone dealer in time for "11th of July" although it's not been "officially put up on the Net" it should appear in the next couple of days. >> Not everyone in the owlrd is happy.... www.ruinediphone.com ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon. From matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au Tue Jul 1 13:24:23 2008 From: matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au (Matt Skoss) Date: Tue Jul 1 13:23:04 2008 Subject: [Maced] Problem with Samsung CLP-550N printer Message-ID: <96C7B5DA-4E0E-4502-AB1F-C10475176A7E@netspeed.com.au> This morning I had to lift out the imaging unit, and accidentally jagged it as I was pulling it out. A clear plastic curved flap with a lug on each side (acting as a hinge) has come adrift. For the life of me, I can't figure out where it came from, and the printer sends a message saying a latch is not latched...and won't work. Hoping that someone might look inside their printer, and maybe take a photo showing where it is hooks into, acting as a hinge. Many thanks. Regards, Matt. From rlinas at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 1 13:27:06 2008 From: rlinas at optusnet.com.au (Robert Linas) Date: Tue Jul 1 13:25:37 2008 Subject: [Maced] Using Canon camera as bridge between VCR and Mac Message-ID: <3CFF3AC5-778A-475B-8C92-6570F4B8716A@optusnet.com.au> Hi folks, I need to get some stuff from VCR to DVD. I have a Canon MV600i dv camera. This has AV to DV setting, so it can work as a bridge. I have it plugged into VCR, then with firewire, plugged into imac. I want the video to import into imovie. When I play the VCR, I can see the movie on the camera - but when I try to import in imovie, the movie from the vcr stops playing through the camera and the tape on the camera starts. Therefore I can't import the vhs tape. I used this camera before on older versions of iMovie and it used to work. Anyone know if I can get this working on imovie HD 6 or the 08 version? 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URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/fba09f41/attachment.html From stokesg at tpg.com.au Tue Jul 1 14:31:37 2008 From: stokesg at tpg.com.au (Garry Stokes) Date: Tue Jul 1 14:30:10 2008 Subject: [Maced] Using Canon camera as bridge between VCR and Mac In-Reply-To: <3CFF3AC5-778A-475B-8C92-6570F4B8716A@optusnet.com.au> References: <3CFF3AC5-778A-475B-8C92-6570F4B8716A@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4869B329.1060002@tpg.com.au> On the older models I have used you remove the dv tape and it "knows" to pass through. I'd try imovie HD if i were you ... we know it works! Robert Linas wrote: > Hi folks, > I need to get some stuff from VCR to DVD. > I have a Canon MV600i dv camera. This has AV to DV setting, so it can > work as a bridge. > I have it plugged into VCR, then with firewire, plugged into imac. > I want the video to import into imovie. > When I play the VCR, I can see the movie on the camera - but when I > try to import in imovie, the movie from the vcr stops playing through > the camera and the tape on the camera starts. Therefore I can't import > the vhs tape. > I used this camera before on older versions of iMovie and it used to work. > Anyone know if I can get this working on imovie HD 6 or the 08 version? > > > Robert Linas > Computer Coordinator Thingy > Werrington PS > NSW > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > -- ==================================== Garry Stokes Tuncurry Senior Campus Great Lakes College The Northern Parkway Tuncurry 2428 NSW. Australia School Phone : 6555 0555 Direct Phone: 6555 0560 ==================================== ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1787 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/239fa5c8/attachment.gif From rlinas at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 1 15:26:26 2008 From: rlinas at optusnet.com.au (Robert Linas) Date: Tue Jul 1 15:24:56 2008 Subject: [Maced] Using Canon camera as bridge between VCR and Mac In-Reply-To: <4869B329.1060002@tpg.com.au> References: <3CFF3AC5-778A-475B-8C92-6570F4B8716A@optusnet.com.au> <4869B329.1060002@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks Gary, I had to install an old version of iMovie (from a 10.2 emac disc) to get it to work. Robert Linas Computer Coordinator Thingy Werrington PS NSW On 01/07/2008, at 2:31 PM, Garry Stokes wrote: > On the older models I have used you remove the dv tape and it > "knows" to pass through. > I'd try imovie HD if i were you ... we know it works! > > Robert Linas wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> I need to get some stuff from VCR to DVD. >> I have a Canon MV600i dv camera. This has AV to DV setting, so it >> can work as a bridge. >> I have it plugged into VCR, then with firewire, plugged into imac. >> I want the video to import into imovie. >> When I play the VCR, I can see the movie on the camera - but when >> I try to import in imovie, the movie from the vcr stops playing >> through the camera and the tape on the camera starts. Therefore I >> can't import the vhs tape. >> I used this camera before on older versions of iMovie and it used >> to work. >> Anyone know if I can get this working on imovie HD 6 or the 08 >> version? >> >> >> Robert Linas >> Computer Coordinator Thingy >> Werrington PS >> NSW >> ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/3815ba5d/attachment-0001.html From pharmon at slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au Tue Jul 1 17:05:20 2008 From: pharmon at slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au (Paul Harmon) Date: Tue Jul 1 17:03:50 2008 Subject: [Maced] Comic Life and Comic Magiq In-Reply-To: <20080701080621.127644imhz15az0g@webmail.netregistry.net> References: <6D7AE5B8-011A-1000-D308-BA2A26F31853-Webmail-10010@mac.com> <20080701080621.127644imhz15az0g@webmail.netregistry.net> Message-ID: <52AA872C-E24E-410E-B213-4914041AA1FB@slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au> Hi Brenda I got the upgrade to Magiq and have used it in a unit, don't imagine that I'll go back to Comic Life a great deal. Magiq has a lot more scope in it including some fantastic editing tools, template builders and so on. I had my Yr 7's do a Comic on World Heritage sites using a template I built and a character to talk about the images etc. Worked really well. Paul On 01/07/2008, at 8:06 AM, kel@edugator.net.au wrote: > Hi Brenda > > Mahiq is a seperate program to Comic Life. Have have only had a > brief look at it but looks interesting. > > Cheers > > Kel > > > Quoting Brenda Sumner : > >> Hi >> >> Comic Magiq looks great. >> Does this replace Comic Life Delux on mac or is it so different >> that I need (want) both. >> ----------- >> Brenda Sumner >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced Paul Harmon ICLT Coordinator St Leo's Catholic College Wahroonga NSW Ph: 02 9487 3555 Fax: 02 9487 2637 Email: pharmon@slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au From wulguru.wantok at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:17:19 2008 From: wulguru.wantok at gmail.com (John Feltham) Date: Tue Jul 1 17:16:00 2008 Subject: [Maced] Printer for Home In-Reply-To: <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> References: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> Message-ID: <102AC9DC-1FC1-407E-B77D-78156A7F8CD4@Gmail.com> G'day Quentin, On 01/07/2008, at 9:55 AM, Quentin Hall wrote: << If for mainly photo's look at the MX range of the Canon's (then they have other models which are networkable as well if required). They just work. Have separate colours for each ink (with the "mid- range" anyway - the el-cheapo's have the black and "3 in 1" colour cartridge). >. Those who get through a lot of ink cartridges might care to look at http://www.rihac.com.au/ for their CISS. I have used one on a Canon MP960 for over six months. Great stuff. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon. From jocknjo1 at bordernet.com.au Tue Jul 1 21:41:25 2008 From: jocknjo1 at bordernet.com.au (Jock Webb) Date: Tue Jul 1 21:38:56 2008 Subject: [Maced] Salary sacrifice desktop? In-Reply-To: <102AC9DC-1FC1-407E-B77D-78156A7F8CD4@Gmail.com> References: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> <102AC9DC-1FC1-407E-B77D-78156A7F8CD4@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi From a mate of mine, does anyone know if the NSW DET system allows salary sacrifice for desktops or is it only laptops. Cheers Jock From rhysted at mac.com Tue Jul 1 23:09:14 2008 From: rhysted at mac.com (Rod Hysted) Date: Tue Jul 1 23:08:08 2008 Subject: [Maced] Salary sacrifice desktop? In-Reply-To: References: <423402AD-F70D-49C7-B26D-208F8EF1EF99@uow.edu.au> <9449A04B-5450-494F-8E2B-A9C90C6475FC@highway1.com.au> <102AC9DC-1FC1-407E-B77D-78156A7F8CD4@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <6132C0E9-EF78-4351-A206-2A19CB414D65@mac.com> Jock, I think the ATO only allows notebooks/laptops. The portability is the issue. People are drumming up cases for smart phones and iPod Touch's etc, as they are portable computing platforms. I wish 'em luck. Rod On 01/07/2008, at 9:41 PM, Jock Webb wrote: Hi From a mate of mine, does anyone know if the NSW DET system allows salary sacrifice for desktops or is it only laptops. Cheers Jock _______________________________________________ Maced mailing list Maced@zeus.as.edu.au http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced From warren at wazmac.com Wed Jul 2 06:56:26 2008 From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough) Date: Wed Jul 2 06:54:54 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? Message-ID: Hi all, A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a stylus. There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), but not many. Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could be lost. With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, regarding each type of board. At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, due to the finger-driven control. Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed things at all? Thanks, Warren From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au Wed Jul 2 07:22:32 2008 From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell) Date: Wed Jul 2 07:21:07 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <26796.89716.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Warren IMHO the stylus boards are more durable. Also, use of the stylus avoids the problem of little kids touching the boards with both hands causing accidental activation. BTW, any school that has a valid ActivBoard 2.5 licence can download the new version3 software free. Cheers Dave --- On Wed, 2/7/08, Warren McCullough wrote: From: Warren McCullough Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? To: "Macs in Education" Received: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008, 6:56 AM Hi all, A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a stylus. There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), but not many. Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could be lost. With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, regarding each type of board. At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, due to the finger-driven control. Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed things at all? Thanks, Warren _______________________________________________ Maced mailing list Maced@zeus.as.edu.au http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/ee950a15/attachment.html From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au Wed Jul 2 07:23:55 2008 From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell) Date: Wed Jul 2 07:22:24 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <917096.28300.qm@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could the local situation be a desire by some to give us the finger? (-: --- On Wed, 2/7/08, Warren McCullough wrote: From: Warren McCullough Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? To: "Macs in Education" Received: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008, 6:56 AM Hi all, A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a stylus. There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), but not many. Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could be lost. With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, regarding each type of board. At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, due to the finger-driven control. Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed things at all? Thanks, Warren _______________________________________________ Maced mailing list Maced@zeus.as.edu.au http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080701/99432bde/attachment.html From anthonyobrien at mac.com Wed Jul 2 07:42:21 2008 From: anthonyobrien at mac.com (anthonyobrien) Date: Wed Jul 2 07:41:31 2008 Subject: [Maced] Re: Mac Login Screen - Follow Up - Follow Up In-Reply-To: References: <2C36D0E7-C29E-4B5A-A908-C40AFCF6BFFD@wazmac.com> <4845037E.4040403@northqueensland.net> <70FFAAE2-2436-4519-9889-144C0E2B4632@wazmac.com> <484507F0.8000507@northqueensland.net> Message-ID: <2F59E0F5-F54A-4FE5-A58B-B1D0A8F5935E@mac.com> Discovered yesterday that the current version of Policy Banner (1.1) does not work with 10.5. There is no word on an update as yet. Cheers, Tony O'Brien On 27/06/2008, at 8:25 PM, anthonyobrien wrote: > Hi All, > > Back at the start of the month I posted a message about user > agreement screens. After playing with a number of solutions I > decided to use a free program called 'Policy Banner'. You can > download it from http://ps-enable.com/software/ > > When you click on the Policy Banner 1.0 Has Moved link at the > bottom of the page , the file will start to download. > > It is a simple but very workable solution which looks good on the > mac screens (I can post a screenshot for those interested). Once > you set it up for one machine you can install the package and copy > the required files across the network using Remote Desktop. > > Have a good one. > > On 03/06/2008, at 8:01 PM, anthonyobrien wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Just wondering if anyone on the list may have an answer to the >> following query. >> >> I run the Macs at school with mobile accounts ( with a 10.3 and a >> 10.5 server in the background) and a list of users at the login >> screen. The PCs run off a novell network connecting to windows >> servers with a user name / password login window. >> >> We have been able to put our internet / computer usage agreement >> as the first screen on the PCs. Users have to click OK to go on to >> the login screen. See attachment. >> >> Is it possible to put a similar internet / computer usage >> agreement screen on the Macs which users will have to click OK on >> before getting to the login screen? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anthony O'Brien >> Learning Technology Coordinator >> Xavier Catholic College >> Skennars Head >> NSW 2478 >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080702/8906309d/attachment-0001.html From kel at edugator.net.au Wed Jul 2 08:26:01 2008 From: kel at edugator.net.au (kel@edugator.net.au) Date: Wed Jul 2 08:24:29 2008 Subject: [Maced] Apple launches iTunes K-12 In-Reply-To: References: <20080620055216.344633686AC1@zeus.as.edu.au> Message-ID: <20080702082601.88247amlolidnhss@webmail.netregistry.net> At NECC last night Apple launched a K-12 section of iTunes U. Only US content a the moment though we can access that. Since iTunes U has launched in Australia I would assume that a K-12 section will follow for us. Cheers Kel NECC is amazing ! From matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 2 09:55:21 2008 From: matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au (Matt Skoss) Date: Wed Jul 2 09:55:09 2008 Subject: [Maced] Pages query...on a MacBook Message-ID: When I go to save a document in Pages, I don't get to see the Save/ Cancel buttons at the bottom of the dialogue box that pops up. I press enter and it works, but I don't know what else is lurking down there. Do other people have a similar problem? Regards, Matt. From matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 2 10:06:29 2008 From: matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au (Matt Skoss) Date: Wed Jul 2 10:06:12 2008 Subject: [Maced] Pages query...on a MacBook Message-ID: <639854B9-4C44-4043-92C3-1C3D51029E23@netspeed.com.au> When I go to save a document in Pages, I don't get to see the Save/ Cancel buttons at the bottom of the dialogue box that pops up. I press enter and it works, but I don't know what else is lurking down there. Do other people have a similar problem? Regards, Matt. From webmin at northqueensland.net Wed Jul 2 10:58:36 2008 From: webmin at northqueensland.net (Bill O'Donnell) Date: Wed Jul 2 10:57:05 2008 Subject: [Maced] Pages query...on a MacBook In-Reply-To: <639854B9-4C44-4043-92C3-1C3D51029E23@netspeed.com.au> References: <639854B9-4C44-4043-92C3-1C3D51029E23@netspeed.com.au> Message-ID: <486AD2BC.7030704@northqueensland.net> There is a small arrow head to the right of the Save As: window Click on that to either Hide or Disclose the extra options Matt Skoss wrote: > When I go to save a document in Pages, I don't get to see the > Save/Cancel buttons at the bottom of the dialogue box that pops up. > > I press enter and it works, but I don't know what else is lurking down > there. Do other people have a similar problem? > > Regards, Matt. > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > From mal.lee at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 2 11:51:18 2008 From: mal.lee at netspeed.com.au (Mal Lee) Date: Wed Jul 2 11:49:48 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Warren Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the school that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your school in a way no other technology has beforehand. That rather substantial call is based on recently released research from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital technologies in everyday teaching If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the outset that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching room - and that the problem your principal will school have to face is how to find the funds to equip the total school Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other digital tools in their everyday teaching Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework What you'll find is that - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far more important than the board technology - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and as a Mac school you need to note that The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to achieve the whole school take up Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using this technology throughout from 2003 Learn from them Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. That is an utter waste of money Plan on total staff usage from the outset Kind regards Mal Lee On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: > Hi all, > > A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs > he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a > stylus. > > There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), > but not many. > > Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the > "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If > the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a > permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools > the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while > the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could > be lost. > > With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend > considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be > interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, > regarding each type of board. > > At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, > due to the finger-driven control. > > Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be > learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed > things at all? > > Thanks, > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced Ph + 61 2 44717 947 PO Box 5010 Broulee NSW 2537 Australia From matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 2 10:06:29 2008 From: matt.skoss at netspeed.com.au (Matt Skoss) Date: Wed Jul 2 12:04:59 2008 Subject: [Maced] Pages query...on a MacBook Message-ID: <639854B9-4C44-4043-92C3-1C3D51029E23@netspeed.com.au> When I go to save a document in Pages, I don't get to see the Save/ Cancel buttons at the bottom of the dialogue box that pops up. I press enter and it works, but I don't know what else is lurking down there. Do other people have a similar problem? Regards, Matt. From coachrobbo at mac.com Wed Jul 2 14:44:02 2008 From: coachrobbo at mac.com (Simon Robinson) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:42:45 2008 Subject: [Maced] Re: Salary sacrifice desktop? In-Reply-To: <20080701214133.60C0E38D76C9@zeus.as.edu.au> References: <20080701214133.60C0E38D76C9@zeus.as.edu.au> Message-ID: <1D611666-3A62-4371-A2A8-0DCA63D3F233@mac.com> ATO rules around salary sacrifice of laptops has changed according to APC. I agree with no double dipping but pendulum may have swung further. http://apcmag.com/did_kevin_rudd_kill_laptop_salary_sacrifice.htm Not sure how this affects schools... (see last 2 paragraphs) Simon On 02/07/2008, at 7:41 AM, maced-request@zeus.as.edu.au wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:41:25 +1000 > From: Jock Webb > Subject: [Maced] Salary sacrifice desktop? > To: Macs in Education > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Hi > From a mate of mine, does anyone know if the NSW DET system allows > salary sacrifice for desktops or is it only laptops. > Cheers > Jock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080702/4813e7a2/attachment.html From warren at wazmac.com Wed Jul 2 15:08:10 2008 From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:06:40 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39CACACB-5BAC-4CAD-9842-A6604DCBA395@wazmac.com> Hi Mal, Thanks for the info - I agree with you planning strategies whole- heartedly. However, the NSW DET is supplying schools with standard software, regardless of the chosen board, so the only choice is "which board". There are only two from which to choose. One "hard", one "soft". Warren. On 02/07/2008, at 11:51 AM, Mal Lee wrote: > Dear Warren > > Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've > made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest > that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the > school that you undertake extensive homework - because although this > will sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has > the potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in > your school in a way no other technology has beforehand. > > That rather substantial call is based on recently released research > from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by > that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have > had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital > technologies in everyday teaching > > If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the > outset that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every > teaching room - and that the problem your principal will school have > to face is how to find the funds to equip the total school > > Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather > human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt > that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other > digital tools in their everyday teaching > > Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework > > What you'll find is that > > - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well > > - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far > more important than the board technology > > - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and > thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually > throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! > > - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and as > a Mac school you need to note that > > The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school > successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to > achieve the whole school take up > > Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using > this technology throughout from 2003 > > Learn from them > > Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. > That is an utter waste of money > > Plan on total staff usage from the outset > > Kind regards > > Mal Lee > > > On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the >> IWBs he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used >> with a stylus. >> >> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), >> but not many. >> >> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that >> the "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. >> (If the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools >> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could >> be lost. >> >> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >> regarding each type of board. >> >> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" >> board, due to the finger-driven control. >> >> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed >> things at all? >> >> Thanks, >> Warren >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > > > > Ph + 61 2 44717 947 > PO Box 5010 > Broulee NSW 2537 > Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced From daveburke82 at mac.com Wed Jul 2 17:06:57 2008 From: daveburke82 at mac.com (David Burke) Date: Wed Jul 2 17:05:28 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> I think a study like this is simply illustrating good use of technology in learning, not necessarily IWBs as the be all and end all compared with other possibilities in schools. (?) Was interesting though to play around in a "connected classroom" for a fair few sessions this week... still can't see the magic yet. Am hoping I will soon, I'm sure the DET know what they're doing ;-) Dave Burke. On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 11:51AM, "Mal Lee" wrote: >Dear Warren > >Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've >made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest >that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the school >that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will >sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the >potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your >school in a way no other technology has beforehand. > >That rather substantial call is based on recently released research >from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by >that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have >had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital >technologies in everyday teaching > >If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the outset >that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching >room - and that the problem your principal will school have to face is >how to find the funds to equip the total school > >Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather >human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt >that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other >digital tools in their everyday teaching > >Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework > >What you'll find is that > >- the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well > >- it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far >more important than the board technology > >- the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and >thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually >throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! > >- only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and as a >Mac school you need to note that > >The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school >successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to >achieve the whole school take up > >Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using this >technology throughout from 2003 > >Learn from them > >Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. That >is an utter waste of money > >Plan on total staff usage from the outset > >Kind regards > >Mal Lee > > >On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs >> he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a >> stylus. >> >> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), >> but not many. >> >> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the >> "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If >> the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools >> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could >> be lost. >> >> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >> regarding each type of board. >> >> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, >> due to the finger-driven control. >> >> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed >> things at all? >> >> Thanks, >> Warren >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > > > >Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >PO Box 5010 >Broulee NSW 2537 >Australia > > > >_______________________________________________ >Maced mailing list >Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > From mal.lee at netspeed.com.au Thu Jul 3 08:49:29 2008 From: mal.lee at netspeed.com.au (Mal Lee) Date: Thu Jul 3 08:48:17 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> References: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> Message-ID: <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au> Dave After spending the better part of the last eighteen months researching the use - or more specifically the non use - of electric and electronic instructional during the last 100 years, and preparing that publication for ACER Press fear i have to differ - and to say there is no other electric or electronic instructional technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs Use in the UK went from 5% of all teachers in 2002 to 64% in 2006 - with a rapid ever upward trend The reality is that for a host of reasons - most highly valid, and few to do with the teachers themselves - the vast majority of teachers world wide have not, and still do not use any digital instructional technology in their everyday teaching The most commonly used instructional technologies in 2008 are still the teaching board, the pen and paper - as I say for a suite of very good reasons When education systems make a big thing about putting one IWB in a school what chance do the teachers have? Cheers Mal On 02/07/2008, at 5:06 PM, David Burke wrote: > > I think a study like this is simply illustrating good use of > technology in learning, not necessarily IWBs as the be all and end > all compared with other possibilities in schools. (?) > > Was interesting though to play around in a "connected classroom" for > a fair few sessions this week... still can't see the magic yet. Am > hoping I will soon, I'm sure the DET know what they're doing ;-) > > Dave Burke. > > On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 11:51AM, "Mal Lee" > wrote: >> Dear Warren >> >> Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've >> made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest >> that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the >> school >> that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will >> sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the >> potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your >> school in a way no other technology has beforehand. >> >> That rather substantial call is based on recently released research >> from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by >> that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have >> had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital >> technologies in everyday teaching >> >> If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the outset >> that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching >> room - and that the problem your principal will school have to face >> is >> how to find the funds to equip the total school >> >> Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather >> human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt >> that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other >> digital tools in their everyday teaching >> >> Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework >> >> What you'll find is that >> >> - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well >> >> - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far >> more important than the board technology >> >> - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and >> thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually >> throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! >> >> - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and >> as a >> Mac school you need to note that >> >> The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school >> successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to >> achieve the whole school take up >> >> Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using this >> technology throughout from 2003 >> >> Learn from them >> >> Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. >> That >> is an utter waste of money >> >> Plan on total staff usage from the outset >> >> Kind regards >> >> Mal Lee >> >> >> On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the IWBs >>> he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a >>> stylus. >>> >>> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), >>> but not many. >>> >>> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that the >>> "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If >>> the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >>> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools >>> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >>> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could >>> be lost. >>> >>> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >>> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >>> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >>> regarding each type of board. >>> >>> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" board, >>> due to the finger-driven control. >>> >>> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >>> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed >>> things at all? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Warren >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maced mailing list >>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >> >> >> >> >> Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >> PO Box 5010 >> Broulee NSW 2537 >> Australia >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced Ph + 61 2 44717 947 PO Box 5010 Broulee NSW 2537 Australia From matt at kambala.nsw.edu.au Thu Jul 3 18:28:28 2008 From: matt at kambala.nsw.edu.au (Matt Darby) Date: Thu Jul 3 18:26:51 2008 Subject: [Maced] Optus iPhone Prices Message-ID: <64060A05-7348-404C-BC3C-953751E864B5@kambala.nsw.edu.au> A little less than the unlimited data we hoped for ..... http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/optus-details-iphone-plans/2008/07/03/1214950923479.html http://www.optusiphone.com.au/getdoc/3727f208-955d-4c4a-ad38-b860c9b14e56/post-paid-pricing.aspx matt.. ------------------------------------------------------- From warren at wazmac.com Fri Jul 4 08:56:35 2008 From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough) Date: Fri Jul 4 08:54:56 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au> References: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au> Message-ID: <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> Hi Mal, I understand and respect your enthusiastic support of IWBs. As a techno-gadget-fiddler from way back I am always on the lookout for new and emerging technologies that will make our classrooms, and childrens' learning experiences, more relevant and meaningful. However, I am continually disappointed when I see IWBs in action in classrooms. The BECTA report that I read at http://tinyurl.com/5gbb8f only further confirms my own "findings" in visits to classrooms. This paper, titled "What the research says about interactive whiteboards" proudly boasts the following "potential applications" of IWBs on its front page: ? using web-based resources in whole-class teaching; ? showing video clips to help explain concepts; ? demonstrating a piece of software; ? presenting students? work to the rest of the class; ? creating digital flipcharts; ? manipulating text and practising handwriting; ? saving notes written on the board for future use; ? quick and seamless revision. Wow. Yesterday I contacted a colleague who has become a recent "IWB convert". Great, I thought - now they can convince me! Sadly, when they described the reasons for their enthusiasm, I heard things like: "I can prepare all my lessons at home and they are ready to go, simply by turning the projector on"; "Using technology is easy now, because I can use the computer connected to the IWB, and I don't need to have every kid using a computer and asking me questions that I can't answer". And several other similar answers that described "demonstrating" concepts. The sage is back on the stage. Sure, I could conduct research based, on these experiences, that concludes "no other electric or electronic instructional technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs", simply because the teacher is using the technology (in this case there is no other option - that is the only black/whiteboard that they have in their classroom!) But have we improved learning outcomes? How does the becta view of the "instructional" use of technology fit with the objectives of our own Quality Teaching agenda? What am I missing? I would really love to be able to embrace this technology, but I am yet to see it used in a compelling way in a true learning environment. All I see is people being blinded by the "wow" factor, or the "we'll get left behind if we don't buy these" sales pitch. If you can point me towards some classrooms where quality teaching is being truly supported by IWBs I'd be only too happy to pay a visit to expand my own professional view! (contact me off list if you can suggest some sites). I am keen to be convinced. Regards, Warren On 03/07/2008, at 8:49 AM, Mal Lee wrote: > Dave > > After spending the better part of the last eighteen months > researching the use - or more specifically the non use - of electric > and electronic instructional during the last 100 years, and > preparing that publication for ACER Press fear i have to differ - > and to say there is no other electric or electronic instructional > technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs > > Use in the UK went from 5% of all teachers in 2002 to 64% in 2006 - > with a rapid ever upward trend > > The reality is that for a host of reasons - most highly valid, and > few to do with the teachers themselves - the vast majority of > teachers world wide have not, and still do not use any digital > instructional technology in their everyday teaching > > The most commonly used instructional technologies in 2008 are still > the teaching board, the pen and paper - as I say for a suite of very > good reasons > > When education systems make a big thing about putting one IWB in a > school what chance do the teachers have? > > Cheers > > Mal > On 02/07/2008, at 5:06 PM, David Burke wrote: > >> >> I think a study like this is simply illustrating good use of >> technology in learning, not necessarily IWBs as the be all and end >> all compared with other possibilities in schools. (?) >> >> Was interesting though to play around in a "connected classroom" >> for a fair few sessions this week... still can't see the magic yet. >> Am hoping I will soon, I'm sure the DET know what they're doing ;-) >> >> Dave Burke. >> >> On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 11:51AM, "Mal Lee" > > wrote: >>> Dear Warren >>> >>> Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've >>> made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest >>> that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the >>> school >>> that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will >>> sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the >>> potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your >>> school in a way no other technology has beforehand. >>> >>> That rather substantial call is based on recently released research >>> from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by >>> that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have >>> had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital >>> technologies in everyday teaching >>> >>> If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the >>> outset >>> that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching >>> room - and that the problem your principal will school have to >>> face is >>> how to find the funds to equip the total school >>> >>> Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather >>> human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt >>> that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other >>> digital tools in their everyday teaching >>> >>> Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework >>> >>> What you'll find is that >>> >>> - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well >>> >>> - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far >>> more important than the board technology >>> >>> - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and >>> thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually >>> throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! >>> >>> - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and >>> as a >>> Mac school you need to note that >>> >>> The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school >>> successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to >>> achieve the whole school take up >>> >>> Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using >>> this >>> technology throughout from 2003 >>> >>> Learn from them >>> >>> Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. >>> That >>> is an utter waste of money >>> >>> Plan on total staff usage from the outset >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Mal Lee >>> >>> >>> On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the >>>> IWBs >>>> he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a >>>> stylus. >>>> >>>> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), >>>> but not many. >>>> >>>> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that >>>> the >>>> "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If >>>> the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >>>> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools >>>> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >>>> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could >>>> be lost. >>>> >>>> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >>>> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >>>> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >>>> regarding each type of board. >>>> >>>> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" >>>> board, >>>> due to the finger-driven control. >>>> >>>> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >>>> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed >>>> things at all? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Maced mailing list >>>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >>> PO Box 5010 >>> Broulee NSW 2537 >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maced mailing list >>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > > > > Ph + 61 2 44717 947 > PO Box 5010 > Broulee NSW 2537 > Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 09:25:56 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 09:24:17 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> I have installed ARD 2 from the Disk onto a new iMac (10.5), but when I tryto open it, it asks for a password and installs the client (again). Why can't I run the Admin program itself? Is it incompatible with Leopard or something? Geoff Wales This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From jlemon at chac.qld.edu.au Fri Jul 4 09:43:30 2008 From: jlemon at chac.qld.edu.au (James Lemon) Date: Fri Jul 4 09:41:36 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Message-ID: <0FD6283D2C5F45DFA2DE77C5814B7F5A@chac.inet> Hi Geoff, Please go into Keychain under Applications\Utilities\ You will find that there is password set for this application already that you will need to remove, if you have not set a password already you will need to do this for the admin side before it opens. Alternatively nuke all the corresponding remote desktop plist files under the library directory then re-install. ARD 2 should work under Leopard. Regards, ? James Lemon ? ICT Technician Cannon Hill Anglican College Cnr Junction & Krupp Roads CANNON HILL Queensland 4170 Ph +61 7 38960491? Fax +61 7 38960448 -----Original Message----- From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:26 AM To: maced@zeus.as.edu.au Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin I have installed ARD 2 from the Disk onto a new iMac (10.5), but when I tryto open it, it asks for a password and installs the client (again). Why can't I run the Admin program itself? Is it incompatible with Leopard or something? Geoff Wales This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. _______________________________________________ Maced mailing list Maced@zeus.as.edu.au http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message or any part of it is intended solely for the named addressee. Privileged / Confidential Information may be contained in this message.Copying or distribution of this transmission or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please reply to the sender and delete the message. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to e-mail for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of the College shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. As attachments to this message may unintentionally contain malicious code, the College recommends that you scan it using the latest virus checking software before use. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. You may not rely on this message as advice unless subsequently confirmed by fax or letter signed by the Principal of the College or the Chairman of its Board of Directors. From arice at mac1.com.au Fri Jul 4 09:49:57 2008 From: arice at mac1.com.au (Adam Rice) Date: Fri Jul 4 09:48:22 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Message-ID: <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> Hi Geoff, you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop administration software. You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. Adam Rice K-12 Education Manager - Brisbane & Sunshine Coast T 07 3914 5344 | F 07 3852 4068 | M 04 3177 6211 A Suite 1, Unit 29, 25 James Street Fortitude Valley, Queensland, 4006 E arice@mac1.com.au | ABN 96 983 779 822 FC 1300 655 088 | W WWW.MAC1.COM.AU On 04/07/2008, at 9:25 AM, wrote: > I have installed ARD 2 from the Disk onto a new iMac (10.5), but > when I tryto open it, it asks for a password and installs the client > (again). > > Why can't I run the Admin program itself? Is it incompatible with > Leopard or something? > > Geoff Wales > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 09:53:38 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 09:52:16 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> References: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au>, <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990B@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Is it OK if I print this discussion for my Principal? Some very important points here... Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Warren McCullough [warren@wazmac.com] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 8:56 AM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? Hi Mal, I understand and respect your enthusiastic support of IWBs. As a techno-gadget-fiddler from way back I am always on the lookout for new and emerging technologies that will make our classrooms, and childrens' learning experiences, more relevant and meaningful. However, I am continually disappointed when I see IWBs in action in classrooms. The BECTA report that I read at http://tinyurl.com/5gbb8f only further confirms my own "findings" in visits to classrooms. This paper, titled "What the research says about interactive whiteboards" proudly boasts the following "potential applications" of IWBs on its front page: ? using web-based resources in whole-class teaching; ? showing video clips to help explain concepts; ? demonstrating a piece of software; ? presenting students? work to the rest of the class; ? creating digital flipcharts; ? manipulating text and practising handwriting; ? saving notes written on the board for future use; ? quick and seamless revision. Wow. Yesterday I contacted a colleague who has become a recent "IWB convert". Great, I thought - now they can convince me! Sadly, when they described the reasons for their enthusiasm, I heard things like: "I can prepare all my lessons at home and they are ready to go, simply by turning the projector on"; "Using technology is easy now, because I can use the computer connected to the IWB, and I don't need to have every kid using a computer and asking me questions that I can't answer". And several other similar answers that described "demonstrating" concepts. The sage is back on the stage. Sure, I could conduct research based, on these experiences, that concludes "no other electric or electronic instructional technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs", simply because the teacher is using the technology (in this case there is no other option - that is the only black/whiteboard that they have in their classroom!) But have we improved learning outcomes? How does the becta view of the "instructional" use of technology fit with the objectives of our own Quality Teaching agenda? What am I missing? I would really love to be able to embrace this technology, but I am yet to see it used in a compelling way in a true learning environment. All I see is people being blinded by the "wow" factor, or the "we'll get left behind if we don't buy these" sales pitch. If you can point me towards some classrooms where quality teaching is being truly supported by IWBs I'd be only too happy to pay a visit to expand my own professional view! (contact me off list if you can suggest some sites). I am keen to be convinced. Regards, Warren On 03/07/2008, at 8:49 AM, Mal Lee wrote: > Dave > > After spending the better part of the last eighteen months > researching the use - or more specifically the non use - of electric > and electronic instructional during the last 100 years, and > preparing that publication for ACER Press fear i have to differ - > and to say there is no other electric or electronic instructional > technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs > > Use in the UK went from 5% of all teachers in 2002 to 64% in 2006 - > with a rapid ever upward trend > > The reality is that for a host of reasons - most highly valid, and > few to do with the teachers themselves - the vast majority of > teachers world wide have not, and still do not use any digital > instructional technology in their everyday teaching > > The most commonly used instructional technologies in 2008 are still > the teaching board, the pen and paper - as I say for a suite of very > good reasons > > When education systems make a big thing about putting one IWB in a > school what chance do the teachers have? > > Cheers > > Mal > On 02/07/2008, at 5:06 PM, David Burke wrote: > >> >> I think a study like this is simply illustrating good use of >> technology in learning, not necessarily IWBs as the be all and end >> all compared with other possibilities in schools. (?) >> >> Was interesting though to play around in a "connected classroom" >> for a fair few sessions this week... still can't see the magic yet. >> Am hoping I will soon, I'm sure the DET know what they're doing ;-) >> >> Dave Burke. >> >> On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 11:51AM, "Mal Lee" > > wrote: >>> Dear Warren >>> >>> Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years I've >>> made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest >>> that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the >>> school >>> that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will >>> sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the >>> potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your >>> school in a way no other technology has beforehand. >>> >>> That rather substantial call is based on recently released research >>> from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by >>> that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs have >>> had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital >>> technologies in everyday teaching >>> >>> If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the >>> outset >>> that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching >>> room - and that the problem your principal will school have to >>> face is >>> how to find the funds to equip the total school >>> >>> Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather >>> human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to adopt >>> that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other >>> digital tools in their everyday teaching >>> >>> Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework >>> >>> What you'll find is that >>> >>> - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well >>> >>> - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far >>> more important than the board technology >>> >>> - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and >>> thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually >>> throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! >>> >>> - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and >>> as a >>> Mac school you need to note that >>> >>> The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school >>> successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to >>> achieve the whole school take up >>> >>> Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using >>> this >>> technology throughout from 2003 >>> >>> Learn from them >>> >>> Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. >>> That >>> is an utter waste of money >>> >>> Plan on total staff usage from the outset >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Mal Lee >>> >>> >>> On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the >>>> IWBs >>>> he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used with a >>>> stylus. >>>> >>>> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your finger), >>>> but not many. >>>> >>>> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that >>>> the >>>> "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If >>>> the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >>>> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some schools >>>> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >>>> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli could >>>> be lost. >>>> >>>> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >>>> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >>>> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >>>> regarding each type of board. >>>> >>>> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" >>>> board, >>>> due to the finger-driven control. >>>> >>>> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >>>> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology changed >>>> things at all? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Maced mailing list >>>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >>> PO Box 5010 >>> Broulee NSW 2537 >>> Australia This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From jbradley at internode.on.net Fri Jul 4 10:08:38 2008 From: jbradley at internode.on.net (Jason Bradley) Date: Fri Jul 4 10:06:57 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> Message-ID: <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. Cheers Jason. On 04/07/2008, at 9:19 AM, Adam Rice wrote: > Hi Geoff, > you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop > client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop > administration software. > > You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to > be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. > > Adam Rice ********************************** "Remember half the people you know are below average." Jason Bradley IT Manager Broken Hill High School Broken Hill NSW 2880 http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au Ph: (08) 80881522 Mobile: 0430 165 955 Fax: 0880878267 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080704/896eb42a/attachment.html From ianmcl at aanet.com.au Fri Jul 4 10:28:07 2008 From: ianmcl at aanet.com.au (Ian McLaughlin) Date: Fri Jul 4 10:26:31 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> References: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au> <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> Message-ID: <9E0DDC11-4239-4639-B79E-8B3F69A6C9B9@aanet.com.au> Hi all, As an interested party now on the "outside" of direct contact in schools (former DET principal) I have been watching this IWB issue. I think like all new wizz bang tools IWBs are just that - tools! They can be effective in the hands of quality practitioners and will therefore assist in Quality Education. I have witnessed the ridiculous situation of the one and only new whiteboard being placed in a library where students get to watch their teacher or the local "expert" attempt to demonstrate (during their rostered 30 minutes each week) how wonderful this gadget is while it repeatedly fails or the demonstrator doesn't have full command of its operation and the down time uses up about 90% of the available time. Or worse still in a computer lab (does anyone still think they are a good idea in a primary school????) where the students pay little heed and can't keep their fingers off the computer in front of them! I've seen the same thing when teachers are being shown something on the whiteboard - it seems a good time to do a little browsing or check email! Sorry for cynicism. In my search for "quality" use of IWBs (I must confess I've been working with a couple of colleagues to develop software that would make effective use of IWBs, contact me off list if you'd like to know what we are working on, this isn't the forum for adds!) I came across these two videos from the UK. I think they do demonstrate the potential in the hands of a good teacher. I particularly like the point made that if your school is only getting one or two, put them in classrooms where a quality teacher is keen to work with the technology. I haven't done the maths but a class of 25 students in a full time IWB learning environment must be more effective than 30 minutes of unrelated fluff once a week! Here are the links to the videos... http://www.teachers.tv/video/161 http://www.teachers.tv/video/164 Ian McLaughlin On 04/07/2008, at 8:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: > Hi Mal, > > I understand and respect your enthusiastic support of IWBs. As a > techno-gadget-fiddler from way back I am always on the lookout for > new and emerging technologies that will make our classrooms, and > childrens' learning experiences, more relevant and meaningful. > > However, I am continually disappointed when I see IWBs in action in > classrooms. > > The BECTA report that I read at http://tinyurl.com/5gbb8f only > further confirms my own "findings" in visits to classrooms. > > This paper, titled "What the research says about interactive > whiteboards" proudly boasts the following "potential applications" > of IWBs on its front page: > > ? using web-based resources in whole-class teaching; > ? showing video clips to help explain concepts; > ? demonstrating a piece of software; > ? presenting students? work to the rest of the class; > ? creating digital flipcharts; > ? manipulating text and practising handwriting; > ? saving notes written on the board for future use; > ? quick and seamless revision. > > Wow. > > Yesterday I contacted a colleague who has become a recent "IWB > convert". Great, I thought - now they can convince me! > > Sadly, when they described the reasons for their enthusiasm, I heard > things like: > > "I can prepare all my lessons at home and they are ready to go, > simply by turning the projector on"; > > "Using technology is easy now, because I can use the computer > connected to the IWB, and I don't need to have every kid using a > computer and asking me questions that I can't answer". > > And several other similar answers that described "demonstrating" > concepts. The sage is back on the stage. > > Sure, I could conduct research based, on these experiences, that > concludes "no other electric or electronic instructional technology > that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs", simply > because the teacher is using the technology (in this case there is > no other option - that is the only black/whiteboard that they have > in their classroom!) > > But have we improved learning outcomes? How does the becta view of > the "instructional" use of technology fit with the objectives of our > own Quality Teaching agenda? What am I missing? > > I would really love to be able to embrace this technology, but I am > yet to see it used in a compelling way in a true learning > environment. All I see is people being blinded by the "wow" factor, > or the "we'll get left behind if we don't buy these" sales pitch. > > If you can point me towards some classrooms where quality teaching > is being truly supported by IWBs I'd be only too happy to pay a > visit to expand my own professional view! (contact me off list if > you can suggest some sites). > > I am keen to be convinced. > > Regards, > Warren > > > > On 03/07/2008, at 8:49 AM, Mal Lee wrote: > >> Dave >> >> After spending the better part of the last eighteen months >> researching the use - or more specifically the non use - of >> electric and electronic instructional during the last 100 years, >> and preparing that publication for ACER Press fear i have to differ >> - and to say there is no other electric or electronic instructional >> technology that has had anywhere near the teacher take up of IWBs >> >> Use in the UK went from 5% of all teachers in 2002 to 64% in 2006 - >> with a rapid ever upward trend >> >> The reality is that for a host of reasons - most highly valid, and >> few to do with the teachers themselves - the vast majority of >> teachers world wide have not, and still do not use any digital >> instructional technology in their everyday teaching >> >> The most commonly used instructional technologies in 2008 are still >> the teaching board, the pen and paper - as I say for a suite of >> very good reasons >> >> When education systems make a big thing about putting one IWB in a >> school what chance do the teachers have? >> >> Cheers >> >> Mal >> On 02/07/2008, at 5:06 PM, David Burke wrote: >> >>> >>> I think a study like this is simply illustrating good use of >>> technology in learning, not necessarily IWBs as the be all and end >>> all compared with other possibilities in schools. (?) >>> >>> Was interesting though to play around in a "connected classroom" >>> for a fair few sessions this week... still can't see the magic >>> yet. Am hoping I will soon, I'm sure the DET know what they're >>> doing ;-) >>> >>> Dave Burke. >>> >>> On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 11:51AM, "Mal Lee" >> > wrote: >>>> Dear Warren >>>> >>>> Without being rude - and conscious that over the last 4-5 years >>>> I've >>>> made this comment to the MacEd list on many occasions can I suggest >>>> that before you make any moves to acquire an IWB for use in the >>>> school >>>> that you undertake extensive homework - because although this will >>>> sound dramatic - this particular instructional technology has the >>>> potential to positively impact on the teaching of every one in your >>>> school in a way no other technology has beforehand. >>>> >>>> That rather substantial call is based on recently released research >>>> from Becta in the UK that looks back at the vast investment made by >>>> that nation over the last decade - and the profound impact IWBs >>>> have >>>> had upon the UK international lead in teacher's use of digital >>>> technologies in everyday teaching >>>> >>>> If you contemplating acquiring even one IWB recognise from the >>>> outset >>>> that your goal ought be to have an IWB being used in every teaching >>>> room - and that the problem your principal will school have to >>>> face is >>>> how to find the funds to equip the total school >>>> >>>> Your main decision will not be the choice of the board - but rather >>>> human, relating to the kind of strategy the school is going to >>>> adopt >>>> that will ensure every teacher uses an IWB and the related other >>>> digital tools in their everyday teaching >>>> >>>> Leave the choice of boards until near the end of your homework >>>> >>>> What you'll find is that >>>> >>>> - the boards use a range of technologies - all that work very well >>>> >>>> - it is teaching software that comes with the board that is far far >>>> more important than the board technology >>>> >>>> - the boards are at the time of writing still not compatible - and >>>> thus the first you buy will invariably be that used eventually >>>> throughout the school - whether the other teachers like it or not! >>>> >>>> - only a few of the IWBs have quality Mac teaching software - and >>>> as a >>>> Mac school you need to note that >>>> >>>> The first thing I'd suggest you do is to visit a Mac school >>>> successfully using IWBs throughout - and discuss what they did to >>>> achieve the whole school take up >>>> >>>> Bear in mind there are schools in Australia that have been using >>>> this >>>> technology throughout from 2003 >>>> >>>> Learn from them >>>> >>>> Most assuredly don't do a NSW DET and put one IWB in each school. >>>> That >>>> is an utter waste of money >>>> >>>> Plan on total staff usage from the outset >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Mal Lee >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/07/2008, at 6:56 AM, Warren McCullough wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> A colleague visiting London schools reports that nearly all the >>>>> IWBs >>>>> he has seen there are Promethian boards - "hard" boards used >>>>> with a >>>>> stylus. >>>>> >>>>> There are some Smart boards ("soft" boards, used with your >>>>> finger), >>>>> but not many. >>>>> >>>>> Asking about this he was advised that local educators found that >>>>> the >>>>> "soft" boards were not very durable, and were easily damaged. (If >>>>> the board is knocked heavily the 2 layers apparently make a >>>>> permanent connection, rendering the board useless.) In some >>>>> schools >>>>> the life expectancy of the "soft" boards was about 3 years, while >>>>> the only complaint about the "hard" boards was that the styli >>>>> could >>>>> be lost. >>>>> >>>>> With so many local schools now making decisions about how to spend >>>>> considerable sums of money on similar equipment, I would be >>>>> interested to hear about any local experiences, pros or cons, >>>>> regarding each type of board. >>>>> >>>>> At the moment the popular local option seems to be the "soft" >>>>> board, >>>>> due to the finger-driven control. >>>>> >>>>> Given that the poms have had these for a while now, should we be >>>>> learning any lessons from them, or has the newer technology >>>>> changed >>>>> things at all? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Warren >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Maced mailing list >>>>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >>>> PO Box 5010 >>>> Broulee NSW 2537 >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Maced mailing list >>>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maced mailing list >>> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced >> >> >> >> >> Ph + 61 2 44717 947 >> PO Box 5010 >> Broulee NSW 2537 >> Australia >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maced mailing list >> Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > From it at chevalier.nsw.edu.au Fri Jul 4 10:58:09 2008 From: it at chevalier.nsw.edu.au (Max McGreevy) Date: Fri Jul 4 10:56:38 2008 Subject: [Maced] IWB - Stylus or Finger? In-Reply-To: <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> References: <301D95CA-011A-1000-F180-EA9261DE17C3-Webmail-10007@mac.com> <95D34058-7146-42A4-B0CF-01966B688E85@netspeed.com.au> <6EE63141-212E-42BD-9333-8C90BBCE8426@wazmac.com> Message-ID: <4E972DFA-57AD-4E75-85E6-00F0242588E8@chevalier.nsw.edu.au> Hi Mal, Warren and others, I have been watching this thread for a while now, since I have been looking at IWBs in response to requests from staff. So I did some digging for research and found lots, mostly along the lines of what teachers can do with an IWB. There seems to be less material for what students can do with one. In particular, I found this report: http://www.aare.edu.au/06pap/ken06138.pdf which, after I woke up from reading it, I realised that an IWB could be just an expensive bit of underused/misused technology. Personally, I'm still not convinced, but I am trying to find out. At my school, some people wanted to buy and install quite a few IWBs, but hadn't done the research beyond the basically 'they're great' perception. We have one teacher who is dynamic with an IWB and it has taken a while for her to come round to being comfortable with the unexpectedness of using an IWB with students. She sees this as a valuable part of learning, but then she hasn't come through the traditional teacher training process (mmm...). All the discussion about IWB is good. Perhaps by the time I am convinced, there will be a new technology to replace IWB? Oh well... Max McGreevy Chevalier College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeus.as.edu.au/pipermail/maced/attachments/20080704/5bdc7586/attachment.html From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 11:06:31 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 11:09:27 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au>, <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990C@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Sweeeet! You just saved my school $700! Thanks muchly - this is something other schools should know about, through DET support... (hint hint). Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. Cheers Jason. On 04/07/2008, at 9:19 AM, Adam Rice wrote: Hi Geoff, you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop administration software. You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. Adam Rice ********************************** "Remember half the people you know are below average." Jason Bradley IT Manager Broken Hill High School Broken Hill NSW 2880 http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au Ph: (08) 80881522 Mobile: 0430 165 955 Fax: 0880878267 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 11:47:20 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 11:47:38 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au>, <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990E@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> The new iMacs will not come online (trying to rename and add to Master List) because the ARD client on the target machines is either too new or too old (!)... What do I do next? Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. Cheers Jason. On 04/07/2008, at 9:19 AM, Adam Rice wrote: Hi Geoff, you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop administration software. You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. Adam Rice ********************************** "Remember half the people you know are below average." Jason Bradley IT Manager Broken Hill High School Broken Hill NSW 2880 http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au Ph: (08) 80881522 Mobile: 0430 165 955 Fax: 0880878267 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From arice at mac1.com.au Fri Jul 4 12:26:03 2008 From: arice at mac1.com.au (Adam Rice) Date: Fri Jul 4 12:24:31 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990E@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au>, <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990E@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Message-ID: <662D0D88-C7B9-4F5B-AE7F-FAB9230C19ED@mac1.com.au> Hi Geoff, trying to understand your scenario, are you trying to administrate Leopard clients with ARD2? It will be interesting to see how well ARD can cope will that, I may even need to create a test network here to see :) I know you have already tried that hack but can I ask you to be VERY carefully when ripping files out of your System. The System folder is one of the most locked down folders in the operating system because the components of that folder are vital to the smooth running of the machine. It is for this reason that the editor of MacOSXHints.com noted "there may be things that don't work properly using an older version of ARD in 10.5. Proceed at your own risk." Should you need to replace the ARD3 file, I would recommend repairing the permissions on your drive since moving the file as an admin user could potential cause the permissions to be altered. As a side note, Apple Remote Desktop is priced at $208.18 ex GST for 10 clients or $435.45 ex GST for an unlimited license. The $699.00 figure is for retail sales and includes GST which is refunded to the institute. Adam Rice K-12 Education Manager - Brisbane & Sunshine Coast T 07 3914 5344 | F 07 3852 4068 | M 04 3177 6211 A Suite 1, Unit 29, 25 James Street Fortitude Valley, Queensland, 4006 E arice@mac1.com.au | ABN 96 983 779 822 FC 1300 655 088 | W WWW.MAC1.COM.AU On 04/07/2008, at 11:47 AM, wrote: > The new iMacs will not come online (trying to rename and add to > Master List) because the ARD client on the target machines is > either too new or too old (!)... > > What do I do next? > > Geoff Wales > ________________________________________ > From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On > Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] > Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM > To: Macs in Education > Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin > > Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while > ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many > other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply > follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 > machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 > > Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. > > Cheers > > Jason. > On 04/07/2008, at 9:19 AM, Adam Rice wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop > client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop > administration software. > > You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to > be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. > > Adam Rice > > > > ********************************** > "Remember half the people you know are below average." > > Jason Bradley > IT Manager > Broken Hill High School > Broken Hill NSW 2880 > http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au > jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au > Ph: (08) 80881522 > Mobile: 0430 165 955 > Fax: 0880878267 > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > ********************************************************************** > > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > _______________________________________________ > Maced mailing list > Maced@zeus.as.edu.au > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 13:03:30 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 13:01:50 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <662D0D88-C7B9-4F5B-AE7F-FAB9230C19ED@mac1.com.au> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au>, <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990E@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL>, <662D0D88-C7B9-4F5B-AE7F-FAB9230C19ED@mac1.com.au> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990F@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> I have got it working pretty well now - I renamed the machines manually. And yes, I ripped out the ARD Agent, hehe. Fingers crossed... I am sick of having to pay the full cost for another upgrade for Apple software! Especially when it is clear that Apple could provide a 'steady as she goes' pathway in this case. On a side note, why don't Apple have a simple script to replace the iPhoto Library (after a user upgrades and then tries to downgrade) and repopulate with the old photos? Another case of ignoring the interests of their clients, from what I can see. Why would they do that? It wouldn't increase sales, would it? /sarcasm Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Adam Rice [arice@mac1.com.au] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 12:26 PM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Hi Geoff, trying to understand your scenario, are you trying to administrate Leopard clients with ARD2? It will be interesting to see how well ARD can cope will that, I may even need to create a test network here to see :) I know you have already tried that hack but can I ask you to be VERY carefully when ripping files out of your System. The System folder is one of the most locked down folders in the operating system because the components of that folder are vital to the smooth running of the machine. It is for this reason that the editor of MacOSXHints.com noted "there may be things that don't work properly using an older version of ARD in 10.5. Proceed at your own risk." Should you need to replace the ARD3 file, I would recommend repairing the permissions on your drive since moving the file as an admin user could potential cause the permissions to be altered. As a side note, Apple Remote Desktop is priced at $208.18 ex GST for 10 clients or $435.45 ex GST for an unlimited license. The $699.00 figure is for retail sales and includes GST which is refunded to the institute. Adam Rice K-12 Education Manager - Brisbane & Sunshine Coast T 07 3914 5344 | F 07 3852 4068 | M 04 3177 6211 A Suite 1, Unit 29, 25 James Street Fortitude Valley, Queensland, 4006 E arice@mac1.com.au | ABN 96 983 779 822 FC 1300 655 088 | W WWW.MAC1.COM.AU [cid:655FBD85-1444-440D-821F-C72A7E103930@domain_not_set.invalid] On 04/07/2008, at 11:47 AM, > wrote: The new iMacs will not come online (trying to rename and add to Master List) because the ARD client on the target machines is either too new or too old (!)... What do I do next? Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. Cheers Jason. On 04/07/2008, at 9:19 AM, Adam Rice wrote: Hi Geoff, you are correct, Leopard ships with version 3 of the Remote Desktop client which is incompatible with version 2 of the Remote Desktop administration software. You will need to get the latest version of Apple Remote Desktop to be able to successfully install it on a Leopard based machine. Adam Rice ********************************** "Remember half the people you know are below average." Jason Bradley IT Manager Broken Hill High School Broken Hill NSW 2880 http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au jason.bradley@education.nsw.gov.au Ph: (08) 80881522 Mobile: 0430 165 955 Fax: 0880878267 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. 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From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 14:05:49 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 14:04:07 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au>, <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Can I downgrade the client machines to ARD version 2? I keep finding limits to the level of control, ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM To: Macs in Education Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. Cheers Jason. This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From daveburke82 at mac.com Fri Jul 4 16:40:40 2008 From: daveburke82 at mac.com (David Burke) Date: Fri Jul 4 16:39:06 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Message-ID: <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> For goodness sake Geoff... get ARD3!!! Honestly, you won't look back. It's fantastic. RE: iPhoto 06 / 08 issue, why not just bring all machines up to 08? Dave Burke. On Friday, July 04, 2008, at 02:06PM, wrote: >Can I downgrade the client machines to ARD version 2? I keep finding limits to the level of control, >________________________________________ >From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] >Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM >To: Macs in Education >Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin > >Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. > >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 > >Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. > >Cheers > >Jason. > > > >This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. >_______________________________________________ >Maced mailing list >Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > From pharmon at slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au Fri Jul 4 16:51:33 2008 From: pharmon at slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au (Paul Harmon) Date: Fri Jul 4 16:49:51 2008 Subject: [Maced] Casper In-Reply-To: <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: > Hi All Just out of interest, anyone using Casper by Jamf software out there? Interested to hear any opinions. Happy holidays for those of us having them!! Well apart from 475 pilgrims..... Thanks Paul Paul Harmon ICLT Coordinator St Leo's Catholic College Wahroonga NSW Ph: 02 9487 3555 Fax: 02 9487 2637 Email: pharmon@slcc.dbb.catholic.edu.au From GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au Fri Jul 4 17:11:16 2008 From: GEOFFREY.WALES at education.nsw.gov.au (GEOFFREY.WALES@education.nsw.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 4 17:09:34 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL>, <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509914@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Well, I have to convince the boss... Why should we have to pay the full cost every time? It's not as if Apple rewrites the whole app. What is so good about ARD 3? Happy to be persuaded... Geoff Wales ________________________________________ From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of David Burke [daveburke82@mac.com] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 4:40 PM To: Macs in Education Subject: RE: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin For goodness sake Geoff... get ARD3!!! Honestly, you won't look back. It's fantastic. RE: iPhoto 06 / 08 issue, why not just bring all machines up to 08? Dave Burke. On Friday, July 04, 2008, at 02:06PM, wrote: >Can I downgrade the client machines to ARD version 2? I keep finding limits to the level of control, >________________________________________ >From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] >Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM >To: Macs in Education >Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin > >Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. > >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 > >Hint I didnt delete the ARDagent 3.x I moved it just in case. > >Cheers > >Jason. > > > >This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. >_______________________________________________ >Maced mailing list >Maced@zeus.as.edu.au >http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced > > _______________________________________________ Maced mailing list Maced@zeus.as.edu.au http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. From arice at mac1.com.au Fri Jul 4 19:05:25 2008 From: arice at mac1.com.au (Adam Rice) Date: Fri Jul 4 19:03:49 2008 Subject: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin In-Reply-To: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509914@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> References: <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE150990A@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> <6AB49A2A-8E93-4E97-B59E-45F6B806AC39@mac1.com.au> <74FD8119-932C-47AD-B302-FBEA175A058F@internode.on.net> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509911@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL>, <16D79DE6-011A-1000-A0A4-043A57B58877-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <733599C792EFAB4AB8182194DD79A2810EE1509914@EXCHMB-EVSA1.DETISP.LOCAL> Message-ID: There were a lot of great features added to Apple Remote Desktop 3 but of the ones I use the most: Dashboard Widget - fantastic on the computer of a tech or admin who has to ensure that everything is running correctly on a server at all times AutoInstall - allows you to set up the installation of an application or patch even when a computer isn't connected, it will just run as soon as the target machine/s become available Curtain Mode - there are 2 scenarios that are VERY common and difficult in the school environment. The first is students not paying attention to the lesson while on a computer which was helped greatly with the addition of lock out mode and the ability to share a presenters screen with the clients. The second is when you need to do things on a client machine but you don't want the students to see what you are doing. This is where curtain mode is REALLY handy. It locks the screen but allows you to control the computer so you can make any changes you need to but keeping the user in the dark. Remote Drag and Drop - I don't know how I ever lived without this. The ability to drag and drop files from my machine to the client or vice versa has endless uses. Also, I use the copy and paste between computers option all the time (was this in ARD2?). Application Usage Reports - gives you updates on what software is being used, how often, on which systems, and by who. This is very handy for ensuring the institute is complying with license agreements. User History Reports - know when users get on the network and, importantly, track any new or suspicious entries. Whether you are using ARD 2 or 3, however, I would recommend looking into the built in ability to send reports to a database. ARD handles all the configuration around this option and just hands you a fully populated database of data about all your clients. The reason this is so good is that NetRestore by Bombich will synchronise with the ARD database allowing you to automate your network images. In simple terms, once NetRestore has been set up, all you have to do is press "n" while booting your client and it will automatically clean the computer, install your required software, set the correct computer name, users, and Active Directory and/or Open Directory settings and all you did was press 1 button. Given how busy educators and technicians can be, anything that simplifies a process and makes it quick and efficient should be considered an essential item. Adam Rice K-12 Education Manager - Brisbane & Sunshine Coast T 07 3914 5344 | F 07 3852 4068 | M 04 3177 6211 A Suite 1, Unit 29, 25 James Street Fortitude Valley, Queensland, 4006 E arice@mac1.com.au | ABN 96 983 779 822 FC 1300 655 088 | W WWW.MAC1.COM.AU On 04/07/2008, at 5:11 PM, wrote: > Well, I have to convince the boss... > > Why should we have to pay the full cost every time? It's not as if > Apple rewrites the whole app. > > What is so good about ARD 3? > > Happy to be persuaded... > > Geoff Wales > ________________________________________ > From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] On > Behalf Of David Burke [daveburke82@mac.com] > Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 4:40 PM > To: Macs in Education > Subject: RE: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin > > For goodness sake Geoff... get ARD3!!! > > Honestly, you won't look back. It's fantastic. > > RE: iPhoto 06 / 08 issue, why not just bring all machines up to 08? > > Dave Burke. > > On Friday, July 04, 2008, at 02:06PM, > wrote: >> Can I downgrade the client machines to ARD version 2? I keep >> finding limits to the level of control, >> ________________________________________ >> From: maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au [maced-bounces@zeus.as.edu.au] >> On Behalf Of Jason Bradley [jbradley@internode.on.net] >> Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 10:08 AM >> To: Macs in Education >> Subject: Re: [Maced] ARD - cannot open Admin >> >> Yeah sort of but not really true. OSX10.5 uses ARDagent vers3 >> while ARD2 uses naturally vers2. Vers 2 can control/observe and do >> many other functions with 10.5 machines using the ARDagent vers3. >> Simply follow these instructions and ARD2 will work happily on a >> 10.5 machine AND control other 10.5 machines without alteration. >> >> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071102040348337 >> >> Hint I didnt dele