From mlevins at as.edu.au  Mon Jun 13 05:14:57 2011
From: mlevins at as.edu.au (martin levins)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:14:57 +1000
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
Message-ID: <021E675F-9F1B-4420-9851-0F9629E3EA57@as.edu.au>

Hello everyone

We're back up on a new machine (thanks Tim Scott) and emailier than ever

You will need to set your preference for digest or immediate delivery - see the link sent to you a few minutes ago

Thanks for your patience

Cheers
Martin

From rblit at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 13 08:00:41 2011
From: rblit at iinet.net.au (Rod Blitvich)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:00:41 +0800
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
In-Reply-To: <021E675F-9F1B-4420-9851-0F9629E3EA57@as.edu.au>
References: <021E675F-9F1B-4420-9851-0F9629E3EA57@as.edu.au>
Message-ID: <8835B51C-8B57-4605-A3B5-84A9CBF44A30@iinet.net.au>

Thanks Martin!


Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rblit at iinet.net.au 
 http://web.me.com/blitto

The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck 
is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners

On 13/06/2011, at 3:14 AM, martin levins wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> We're back up on a new machine (thanks Tim Scott) and emailier than ever
> 
> You will need to set your preference for digest or immediate delivery - see the link sent to you a few minutes ago
> 
> Thanks for your patience
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
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From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au  Mon Jun 13 09:59:27 2011
From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
In-Reply-To: <021E675F-9F1B-4420-9851-0F9629E3EA57@as.edu.au>
Message-ID: <444839.68270.qm@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Very good news - thanks Martin.

--- On Mon, 13/6/11, martin levins <mlevins at as.edu.au> wrote:

From: martin levins <mlevins at as.edu.au>
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
Received: Monday, 13 June, 2011, 5:14 AM

Hello everyone

We're back up on a new machine (thanks Tim Scott) and emailier than ever

You will need to set your preference for digest or immediate delivery - see the link sent to you a few minutes ago

Thanks for your patience

Cheers
Martin
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From ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au  Mon Jun 13 18:40:11 2011
From: ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au (Sam Osborne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:40:11 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>

Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
_________________________
Sam Osborne
IT Technician
MacKillop College
t : 02 6338 2200
www.mkc.nsw.edu.au

On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:

> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
> 
> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>> Glenn Wilson
>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>> 
>> ==============================================================================
>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>> 
>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced



From anthonyc5 at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jun 13 20:20:59 2011
From: anthonyc5 at optusnet.com.au (Anthony Citino)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:59 +1000
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
In-Reply-To: <021E675F-9F1B-4420-9851-0F9629E3EA57@as.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CA1C21AB.CE51%anthonyc5@optusnet.com.au>

HI Martin
Which link are you referring too? Not sure I got it.
Cheers
Anthony Citino  


> From: martin levins <mlevins at as.edu.au>
> Reply-To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:14:57 +1000
> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
> Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> We're back up on a new machine (thanks Tim Scott) and emailier than ever
> 
> You will need to set your preference for digest or immediate delivery - see
> the link sent to you a few minutes ago
> 
> Thanks for your patience
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced




From ashbyjj at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 21:20:16 2011
From: ashbyjj at gmail.com (Ashby Jenny)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:20:16 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>

iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 

I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.

cheers from Jenny

Sent from my iPad

On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:

> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
> _________________________
> Sam Osborne
> IT Technician
> MacKillop College
> t : 02 6338 2200
> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
> 
> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
> 
>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>> 
>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>> Glenn Wilson
>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>> 
>>> ==============================================================================
>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>> 
>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced


From rblit at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 13 21:50:18 2011
From: rblit at iinet.net.au (Rod Blitvich)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:50:18 +0800
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>

Agree Jenny!!!
What can we use now?
Or can you install iWeb on top of the new iLife when it comes out???

Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rblit at iinet.net.au 
 http://web.me.com/blitto

I haven't lost my mind......
 .......it's backed up on disk somewhere!

On 13/06/2011, at 7:20 PM, Ashby Jenny wrote:

> iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 
> 
> I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.
> 
> cheers from Jenny
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
> 
>> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>> _________________________
>> Sam Osborne
>> IT Technician
>> MacKillop College
>> t : 02 6338 2200
>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>> 
>> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
>> 
>>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>>> 
>>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>>> Glenn Wilson
>>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>>> 
>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>>> 
>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

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From rwhitely at internode.on.net  Mon Jun 13 22:21:01 2011
From: rwhitely at internode.on.net (Reg Whitely)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:21:01 +0800
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
	<1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <C0387164-E3A3-4185-8158-EDAA1AB14242@internode.on.net>

I use Sandvox, published to mobileme, and have an older iWeb site linked, but cannot update the iWeb site anymore as I lost the original iWeb files. Will this new regime support Sandvox or do I need to find a third party web host? http://www.karelia.com/

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhitely at internode.on.net



On 13/06/2011, at 7:50 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:

> Agree Jenny!!!
> What can we use now?
> Or can you install iWeb on top of the new iLife when it comes out???
> <image.gif>
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> 
> I haven't lost my mind......
>  .......it's backed up on disk somewhere!
> 
> On 13/06/2011, at 7:20 PM, Ashby Jenny wrote:
> 
>> iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 
>> 
>> I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.
>> 
>> cheers from Jenny
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>>> _________________________
>>> Sam Osborne
>>> IT Technician
>>> MacKillop College
>>> t : 02 6338 2200
>>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>>> 
>>> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>>>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>>>> 
>>>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>>>> Glenn Wilson
>>>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>>>> 
>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

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From ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au  Mon Jun 13 22:45:57 2011
From: ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au (Sam Osborne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:45:57 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <C0387164-E3A3-4185-8158-EDAA1AB14242@internode.on.net>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
	<1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>
	<C0387164-E3A3-4185-8158-EDAA1AB14242@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <95B3B2A0-5BD6-453D-9424-714411096B43@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>

I think the application iWeb will still be available - Apple will just stop offering hosting.  So you can host it yourself, or pay a couple bucks a month for website hosting.
_________________________
Sam Osborne
IT Technician
MacKillop College
t : 02 6338 2200
www.mkc.nsw.edu.au

On 13/06/2011, at 10:21 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:

> I use Sandvox, published to mobileme, and have an older iWeb site linked, but cannot update the iWeb site anymore as I lost the original iWeb files. Will this new regime support Sandvox or do I need to find a third party web host? http://www.karelia.com/
> 
> Reg
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhitely at internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/06/2011, at 7:50 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:
> 
>> Agree Jenny!!!
>> What can we use now?
>> Or can you install iWeb on top of the new iLife when it comes out???
>> <image.gif>
>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  0409 681 256  
>>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>>  http://web.me.com/blitto
>> 
>> I haven't lost my mind......
>>  .......it's backed up on disk somewhere!
>> 
>> On 13/06/2011, at 7:20 PM, Ashby Jenny wrote:
>> 
>>> iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 
>>> 
>>> I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.
>>> 
>>> cheers from Jenny
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>>>> _________________________
>>>> Sam Osborne
>>>> IT Technician
>>>> MacKillop College
>>>> t : 02 6338 2200
>>>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>>>> 
>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>>>>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>>>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>>>>> Glenn Wilson
>>>>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>>>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced



From glenncw at westnet.com.au  Tue Jun 14 00:07:53 2011
From: glenncw at westnet.com.au (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:07:53 +0800
Subject: [Maced] iLife
In-Reply-To: <95B3B2A0-5BD6-453D-9424-714411096B43@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
	<1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>
	<C0387164-E3A3-4185-8158-EDAA1AB14242@internode.on.net>
	<95B3B2A0-5BD6-453D-9424-714411096B43@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <0420BDAC-CABA-4F9D-A016-61C8FD97C0F2@westnet.com.au>

Hi Sam,
iWeb is not on the App Store. Although Apple can always add it later, it seems that if they were planning to keep it going they would have the current version on the App Store already.

On 13/06/2011, at 8:45 PM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> I think the application iWeb will still be available - Apple will just stop offering hosting.  So you can host it yourself, or pay a couple bucks a month for website hosting.
> _________________________
> Sam Osborne
> IT Technician
> MacKillop College
> t : 02 6338 2200
> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
> 
> On 13/06/2011, at 10:21 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> I use Sandvox, published to mobileme, and have an older iWeb site linked, but cannot update the iWeb site anymore as I lost the original iWeb files. Will this new regime support Sandvox or do I need to find a third party web host? http://www.karelia.com/
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhitely at internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/06/2011, at 7:50 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:
>> 
>>> Agree Jenny!!!
>>> What can we use now?
>>> Or can you install iWeb on top of the new iLife when it comes out???
>>> <image.gif>
>>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>> 0409 681 256  
>>> rblit at iinet.net.au 
>>> http://web.me.com/blitto
>>> 
>>> I haven't lost my mind......
>>> .......it's backed up on disk somewhere!
>>> 
>>> On 13/06/2011, at 7:20 PM, Ashby Jenny wrote:
>>> 
>>>> iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers from Jenny
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
>>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>>>>> _________________________
>>>>> Sam Osborne
>>>>> IT Technician
>>>>> MacKillop College
>>>>> t : 02 6338 2200
>>>>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>>>>>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>>>>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>>>>>> Glenn Wilson
>>>>>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>>>>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

-
Glenn Wilson
83 Gutteridge Road
Banjup 6164
Australia

home: 94147720
mobile: 0409084904
email 1: glenncw at westnet.com.au
email 2: glenncwilson at me.com
skype: glenncw48
ichat: glenncwilson at mac.com



From ashbyjj at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 07:06:34 2011
From: ashbyjj at gmail.com (Ashby Jenny)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:06:34 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iLife/MobileMe
In-Reply-To: <0420BDAC-CABA-4F9D-A016-61C8FD97C0F2@westnet.com.au>
References: <F2904910-3C3A-433A-8CB8-115635809798@westnet.com.au>
	<87C8297D-9B70-4D97-BD65-D2D918D417FF@mac.com>
	<24243ABC-F540-4006-A731-831DA15D5C00@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0FCF0E64-73BD-4386-9FD0-837990DA8DEE@gmail.com>
	<1ACA93B0-94ED-4142-BAD3-D5867E96C9F3@iinet.net.au>
	<C0387164-E3A3-4185-8158-EDAA1AB14242@internode.on.net>
	<95B3B2A0-5BD6-453D-9424-714411096B43@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>
	<0420BDAC-CABA-4F9D-A016-61C8FD97C0F2@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <98202575-745E-4EA3-9984-36BC119F9F05@gmail.com>

So another cloud bursts. How are we meant to gain confidence in using the cloud? Which cloud services will be here in 5 years time?

How long do we have to move Our websites? If iWeb is hosted somewhere else will the comments work? 

What about iDisk?

What about our photos?

What about GarageBand sending podcasts to iWeb?

There is going to need to be a lot of work arounds. Looks like we'll be working the windows way. Clunky without iWeb.

Hmmm



Sent from my iPad

On 14/06/2011, at 12:07 AM, Glenn Wilson <glenncw at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Sam,
> iWeb is not on the App Store. Although Apple can always add it later, it seems that if they were planning to keep it going they would have the current version on the App Store already.
> 
> On 13/06/2011, at 8:45 PM, Sam Osborne wrote:
> 
>> I think the application iWeb will still be available - Apple will just stop offering hosting.  So you can host it yourself, or pay a couple bucks a month for website hosting.
>> _________________________
>> Sam Osborne
>> IT Technician
>> MacKillop College
>> t : 02 6338 2200
>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>> 
>> On 13/06/2011, at 10:21 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> I use Sandvox, published to mobileme, and have an older iWeb site linked, but cannot update the iWeb site anymore as I lost the original iWeb files. Will this new regime support Sandvox or do I need to find a third party web host? http://www.karelia.com/
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhitely at internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13/06/2011, at 7:50 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Agree Jenny!!!
>>>> What can we use now?
>>>> Or can you install iWeb on top of the new iLife when it comes out???
>>>> <image.gif>
>>>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam?s Dad
>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>>> 0409 681 256  
>>>> rblit at iinet.net.au 
>>>> http://web.me.com/blitto
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't lost my mind......
>>>> .......it's backed up on disk somewhere!
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/06/2011, at 7:20 PM, Ashby Jenny wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> iWeb was the reason we stayed with Mac as windows had nothing like it. It was the place that everything just came into easily. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know what schools will do without it if they have been using it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> cheers from Jenny
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13/06/2011, at 6:40 PM, Sam Osborne <ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jobs confirms iWeb discontinuation after MobilMe
>>>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>>>>>> _________________________
>>>>>> Sam Osborne
>>>>>> IT Technician
>>>>>> MacKillop College
>>>>>> t : 02 6338 2200
>>>>>> www.mkc.nsw.edu.au
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris O'Rourke wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think iWeb is dead now Glenn
>>>>>>> Disappointed as I rely on it for a lot of my school stuff
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> eg. see https://discussions.apple.com/message/15369800
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 09/06/2011, at 11:32 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> has anyone bought a recent retail pack of iLife? Is iWeb included in it? 
>>>>>>>> After the announced changes to mobileMe without mention of web site hosting I thought to check. It is not on the App store.
>>>>>>>> Glenn Wilson
>>>>>>>> glenncw at westnet.com.au
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>> I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
>>>>>>>> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Maced mailing list
>>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> -
> Glenn Wilson
> 83 Gutteridge Road
> Banjup 6164
> Australia
> 
> home: 94147720
> mobile: 0409084904
> email 1: glenncw at westnet.com.au
> email 2: glenncwilson at me.com
> skype: glenncw48
> ichat: glenncwilson at mac.com
> 
> 
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From mlevins at as.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 07:13:19 2011
From: mlevins at as.edu.au (martin levins)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:13:19 +1000
Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
In-Reply-To: <CA1C21AB.CE51%anthonyc5@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CA1C21AB.CE51%anthonyc5@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <6DE6D9CF-F781-4F33-A02A-70AEC5A2FBA2@as.edu.au>

At the bottom of this page Anthony

Cheers
Martin

On 13/06/2011, at 8:20 PM, Anthony Citino wrote:

> HI Martin
> Which link are you referring too? Not sure I got it.
> Cheers
> Anthony Citino  
> 
> 
>> From: martin levins <mlevins at as.edu.au>
>> Reply-To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:14:57 +1000
>> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
>> Subject: [Maced] We're Baaack!
>> 
>> Hello everyone
>> 
>> We're back up on a new machine (thanks Tim Scott) and emailier than ever
>> 
>> You will need to set your preference for digest or immediate delivery - see
>> the link sent to you a few minutes ago
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
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> 
> 
> 
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From rblit at iinet.net.au  Tue Jun 14 08:36:28 2011
From: rblit at iinet.net.au (Rod Blitvich)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:36:28 +0800
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
Message-ID: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>

Further to earlier discussions:

iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.

It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!

Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb


Blitto
Rod Blitvich 
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rblit at iinet.net.au 
 http://web.me.com/blitto



http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
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From binnskg at pnc.com.au  Tue Jun 14 11:12:33 2011
From: binnskg at pnc.com.au (Karen Binns)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:12:33 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>

Yes I agree.
We use iWeb extensively. 
Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 

What is the best way to get our voice heard?

Regards
Karen 

Sent from my iPhone

On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Further to earlier discussions:
> 
> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
> 
> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
> 
> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
> 
> 
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
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From ashbyjj at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 11:22:06 2011
From: ashbyjj at gmail.com (Ashby Jenny)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:22:06 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <92F843B7-37CA-460D-BE0C-00227501EC7D@gmail.com>

I agree totally! What are they thinking? Wish we knew.

Sent from my iPhone

On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Further to earlier discussions:
> 
> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
> 
> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
> 
> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
> 
> 
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
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From TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 11:31:35 2011
From: TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au (Shane Tungate)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:31:35 +0000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
Message-ID: <E84D004BD92B5448B87A918C273C98026B7BC033@EXCHANGE.tcnet.local>

As far as I can read on this. The only thing that is discontinuing is the hosting of the sites on me.com. I haven?t seen anything that suggests that the application is being discontinued.

Regards
Shane


Shane Tungate[cid:image8f7d48.JPG at 0e5267bd.48b36a43]

IT Systems Administrator



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Tranby College
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P.O. Box 2186, Rockingham DC. 6967
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From: maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Karen Binns
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:13 AM
To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
Subject: Re: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise

Yes I agree.
We use iWeb extensively.
Just when we get staff using it for class websites.

What is the best way to get our voice heard?

Regards
Karen

Sent from my iPhone

On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au<mailto:rblit at iinet.net.au>> wrote:
Further to earlier discussions:

iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.

It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!

Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away<http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/>
Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWe<http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/>b


Blitto
Rod Blitvich
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 0409 681 256
 rblit at iinet.net.au<mailto:rblit at iinet.net.au>
 http://web.me.com/blitto<http://web.mac.com/blitto>
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http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
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From TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 11:33:01 2011
From: TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au (Shane Tungate)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:33:01 +0000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <E84D004BD92B5448B87A918C273C98026B7BC033@EXCHANGE.tcnet.local>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<E84D004BD92B5448B87A918C273C98026B7BC033@EXCHANGE.tcnet.local>
Message-ID: <E84D004BD92B5448B87A918C273C98026B7BC040@EXCHANGE.tcnet.local>

An update

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/13/icloud-com-to-offer-at-least-some-of-mobilemes-web-functionality/


Shane Tungate[cid:imagea194d5.JPG at 7ec842af.4fbc466f]

IT Systems Administrator



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Tranby College
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From: maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Shane Tungate
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:32 AM
To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
Subject: Re: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise

As far as I can read on this. The only thing that is discontinuing is the hosting of the sites on me.com. I haven?t seen anything that suggests that the application is being discontinued.

Regards
Shane


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From: maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Karen Binns
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:13 AM
To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
Subject: Re: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise

Yes I agree.
We use iWeb extensively.
Just when we get staff using it for class websites.

What is the best way to get our voice heard?

Regards
Karen

Sent from my iPhone

On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au<mailto:rblit at iinet.net.au>> wrote:
Further to earlier discussions:

iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.

It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!

Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away<http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/>
Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWe<http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/>b


Blitto
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From warren at wazmac.com  Tue Jun 14 12:18:42 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:18:42 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
Message-ID: <EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>


On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:

> Yes I agree.
> We use iWeb extensively. 
> Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 
> 
> What is the best way to get our voice heard?


sjobs at apple.com ??

:-)

Warren


From kel at edugator.net.au  Tue Jun 14 12:44:15 2011
From: kel at edugator.net.au (kel at edugator.net.au)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:44:15 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>
Message-ID: <20110614124415.18715yrwygq34ask@webmail.netregistry.net>

What i sit with web building software?

Remember back to the 90's

Adobe Pagemill? - great web building software that Adobe pulled the plug on

Microsoft had FrontPage - not as good but useful until discontinued

Didn't Apple have something similar that is also discontinued around  
the same time?

Kel



From tony at itmadesimple.com  Tue Jun 14 12:46:15 2011
From: tony at itmadesimple.com (Tony Richards)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:46:15 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <20110614124415.18715yrwygq34ask@webmail.netregistry.net>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
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Claris HomePage - great bit of software for the time.


On 14/06/2011, at 12:44 PM, kel at edugator.net.au wrote:

> What i sit with web building software?
> 
> Remember back to the 90's
> 
> Adobe Pagemill? - great web building software that Adobe pulled the plug on
> 
> Microsoft had FrontPage - not as good but useful until discontinued
> 
> Didn't Apple have something similar that is also discontinued around the same time?
> 
> Kel
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From mparker at kambala.nsw.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 13:08:59 2011
From: mparker at kambala.nsw.edu.au (Mike Parker)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:08:59 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
Message-ID: <8C91E2BC-06BF-4BCA-B012-C74E43447819@kambala.nsw.edu.au>

If apple is giving users 5GB of space in the "icloud" and hosting a website is essentially the same thing as hosting some files, why would they cancel webhosting?  It doesn't make sense so I wouldn't get carried away with the rumors.

iweb is a great tool, but there are some other great alternatives.  I just converted an iweb website to weebly.com this weekend so that my sister in law could modify her website from anywhere with a web browser.  The site is free, but I opted to support them by purchasing the pro version and to register a domain from them for a total of about $85/year. weebly also has some education tools, that I've yet to look at, but I think this is really the future.

Mike


On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:

> Yes I agree.
> We use iWeb extensively. 
> Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 
> 
> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
> 
> Regards
> Karen 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
>> Further to earlier discussions:
>> 
>> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
>> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
>> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
>> 
>> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
>> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
>> 
>> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
>> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
>> 
>> 
>> Blitto
>> Rod Blitvich 
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  0409 681 256  
>>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>>  http://web.me.com/blitto
>> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
>> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>> _______________________________________________
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From lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 13:41:20 2011
From: lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au (William Lelong)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:41:20 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Transition plans - Apple Server Software & Infrastructure
Message-ID: <20110614034120.1f4e1788@mail.fahan.tas.edu.au>

Hi,


I do some work for a school down in Hobart, we are almost 100% Mac. Approx 350 desktops and laptops supported by 5 xserves and several Windows servers running Windows only services (such as Clickview). With the discontinuation of the Xserve line up and what looks to be a dumbing down in functionality of the impeding Lion Server release, I'm just interested in what other schools are currently doing with their server infrastructure and what plans you might have in changing some of your server infrastructure to other platforms based on what apple are doing with server software and hardware.


Thanks,


William

William Lelong
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From glenncw at westnet.com.au  Tue Jun 14 14:43:51 2011
From: glenncw at westnet.com.au (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:43:51 +0800
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
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Hi guys,
I agree that at the moment it is all rumour because few of the details have been verified. Even the email I received from Apple with regard to mobileMe is not clear. However, from comments made at the keynote and comments made by "experts" that the browser based stuff will no longer be available because all of the functionality will be provided by applications available on the computer and the mobile devices (ie mail, iCal etc). This is the model developed on the iPhone. Originally Apple wanted developers to develop web based applications, but they have since realised the advantages of downloadable applications.
iCloud will be used to store files directly from the applications themselves. No mention has been made of being able to access them directly from the Mac finder, through iDisk or equivalent.
As far as web hosting is concerned, this requires some extra management on the server, different from that required by the model above. It is possible that Apple will bring out a pay to use web hosting with iWeb or equivalent available to develop for it, however, this is still conjecture.
What I know is that iWeb has not been upgraded in iLife 11 and is not available on the App Store. It might be available in the physical iLife package (which is what I asked originally), but it will still be the old version. Furthermore, no mention has been made by Apple that they will support iWeb and web hosting anymore. Perhaps this is a devious plan to see what the response is and to gauge wether this service is needed or not.

On 14/06/2011, at 9:33 AM, Shane Tungate wrote:

> An update
>  
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/13/icloud-com-to-offer-at-least-some-of-mobilemes-web-functionality/
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Shane Tungate<imagea194d5.JPG>
> 
> IT Systems Administrator
> 
>  
> 
> TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au
> Tranby College
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> P.O. Box 2186, Rockingham DC. 6967
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> 
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> From: maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Shane Tungate
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:32 AM
> To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
>  
> As far as I can read on this. The only thing that is discontinuing is the hosting of the sites on me.com. I haven?t seen anything that suggests that the application is being discontinued.
>  
> Regards
> Shane
>  
> Shane Tungate<image001.jpg>
> 
> IT Systems Administrator
> 
>  
> 
> TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au
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> From: maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au [mailto:maced-bounces at zeus.as.edu.au] On Behalf Of Karen Binns
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:13 AM
> To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
>  
> Yes I agree.
> We use iWeb extensively. 
> Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 
>  
> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
>  
> Regards
> Karen 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Further to earlier discussions:
>  
> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
>  
> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
>  
> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
>  
>  
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
>  
>  
>  
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
>  
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
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From mrwheadon at mac.com  Tue Jun 14 17:43:55 2011
From: mrwheadon at mac.com (Mike Wheadon)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:43:55 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Transition plans - Apple Server Software &
	Infrastructure
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William,
I would wait and see for a while yet: http://bit.ly/i6pnw1

Mike


On 14/06/2011, at 1:41 PM, William Lelong wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I do some work for a school down in Hobart, we are almost 100% Mac. Approx 350 desktops and laptops supported by 5 xserves and several Windows servers running Windows only services (such as Clickview). With the discontinuation of the Xserve line up and what looks to be a dumbing down in functionality of the impeding Lion Server release, I'm just interested in what other schools are currently doing with their server infrastructure and what plans you might have in changing some of your server infrastructure to other platforms based on what apple are doing with server software and hardware.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> William Lelong
> ICT
> 
> 
> 
> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
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From djones at scotch.sa.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 19:10:52 2011
From: djones at scotch.sa.edu.au (David Jones)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:40:52 +0930
Subject: [Maced] Email-collaborative systems
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Message-ID: <CA1D59F2.58AF%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>

Since the early 90s we have used FirstClass as our email and collaboration
system, for administrative staff, teaching staff and secondary students. The
ability for teachers to easily create shared and collaborative conferences
and workspaces has been the glue that has held our 1:1 laptop program and
curriculum delivery together.

However, we may have to move from FirstClass in the foreseeable future. I
would like feedback on systems other schools are using for communication
with their staff and students, both by email and via collaborative spaces.
Any system would need to:
* allow efficient management of staff and student accounts by group;
* enable teachers, sports coaches and other leaders to manage their own
collaborative spaces, ie. decentralised control.
* be 'cool' enough for adolescents to want to use it.
* be cost effective.
What would be your suggestions?

David Jones
IT Systems Manager
Scotch College Adelaide


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From daveburke82 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 19:37:07 2011
From: daveburke82 at gmail.com (David Burke)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:37:07 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
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He does reply occasionally too.

Dave Burke
Sent from my iPhone

On 14/06/2011, at 12:18 PM, Warren McCullough <warren at wazmac.com> wrote:

> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:
> 
>> Yes I agree.
>> We use iWeb extensively. 
>> Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 
>> 
>> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
> 
> 
> sjobs at apple.com ??
> 
> :-)
> 
> Warren
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From j.zagami at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 19:42:41 2011
From: j.zagami at gmail.com (Jason Zagami)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:42:41 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <5BAC75B1-3289-43B0-9711-18EDF3689587@gmail.com>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
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Unfortunately Steve has already provided a detailed response to the question
of the future of iWeb
http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/
http://macdailynews.com/2011/06/13/steve-jobs-confirms-iweb-discontinuation-as-icloud-envelopes-mobileme/
regards
Jason

On 14 June 2011 19:37, David Burke <daveburke82 at gmail.com> wrote:

> He does reply occasionally too.
>
> Dave Burke
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 14/06/2011, at 12:18 PM, Warren McCullough <warren at wazmac.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I agree.
> >> We use iWeb extensively.
> >> Just when we get staff using it for class websites.
> >>
> >> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
> >
> >
> > sjobs at apple.com ??
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Warren
> >
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From warren at wazmac.com  Tue Jun 14 20:51:23 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:51:23 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Email-collaborative systems
In-Reply-To: <CA1D59F2.58AF%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>
References: <CA1D59F2.58AF%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <449CB585-E2D6-4A7D-9C25-6FB368AFCCE3@wazmac.com>

Edmodo maybe?

The right price anyway! 

Warren


On 14/06/2011, at 7:10 PM, David Jones wrote:

> Since the early 90s we have used FirstClass as our email and collaboration system, for administrative staff, teaching staff and secondary students. The ability for teachers to easily create shared and collaborative conferences and workspaces has been the glue that has held our 1:1 laptop program and curriculum delivery together.
> However, we may have to move from FirstClass in the foreseeable future. I would like feedback on systems other schools are using for communication with their staff and students, both by email and via collaborative spaces. Any system would need to:
> allow efficient management of staff and student accounts by group;
> enable teachers, sports coaches and other leaders to manage their own collaborative spaces, ie. decentralised control.
> be 'cool' enough for adolescents to want to use it.
> be cost effective.
> What would be your suggestions?
> 
> David Jones
> IT Systems Manager
> Scotch College Adelaide
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

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From rhysted at mac.com  Tue Jun 14 21:00:40 2011
From: rhysted at mac.com (Rod Hysted)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:00:40 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimABGZ+WwgVcrOGV4s_JXmNRXEMQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>
	<5BAC75B1-3289-43B0-9711-18EDF3689587@gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimABGZ+WwgVcrOGV4s_JXmNRXEMQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6168CC45-3B28-4874-B7BC-A32E8995ACCC@mac.com>

Even so, Apple as shown it self to be responsive to user needs. Perhaps if we are vocal enough, something positive will eventuate. 

Regards

Rod

Rod Hysted
Assistant Principal
Healesville Primary School
Ph: 613 5962 4053

Sent from Rod's iPad

On 14/06/2011, at 7:42 PM, Jason Zagami <j.zagami at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately Steve has already provided a detailed response to the question of the future of iWeb
> http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/
> http://macdailynews.com/2011/06/13/steve-jobs-confirms-iweb-discontinuation-as-icloud-envelopes-mobileme/
> regards
> Jason
> 
> On 14 June 2011 19:37, David Burke <daveburke82 at gmail.com> wrote:
> He does reply occasionally too.
> 
> Dave Burke
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 12:18 PM, Warren McCullough <warren at wazmac.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I agree.
> >> We use iWeb extensively.
> >> Just when we get staff using it for class websites.
> >>
> >> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
> >
> >
> > sjobs at apple.com ??
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Maced mailing list
> > Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> > http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mrwheadon at mac.com  Tue Jun 14 21:13:37 2011
From: mrwheadon at mac.com (Mike Wheadon)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:13:37 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <20110614124415.18715yrwygq34ask@webmail.netregistry.net>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>
	<20110614124415.18715yrwygq34ask@webmail.netregistry.net>
Message-ID: <8F05C787-2CC6-446D-BFA1-52CA7956AF90@mac.com>

And Kel,
Let's not forget Netscape Composer while we're at it! I must have a web page somewhere made with that.
And like others of you I travelled with Dreamweaver from V3 with Macromedia to the overtake by Adobe and left it after CS3 - running school websites - and finally left them as Moodle provided the platform for teachers and students to have a place for them to make their own learning spaces independent of a 'web person'.
iWeb is great and I'll keep using it while it's around, until something better comes along, as it will.

But I would question whether iWeb is the 'weapon against Windows' - lots of other reasons, even if iWeb didn't exist. 
Mike




On 14/06/2011, at 12:44 PM, kel at edugator.net.au wrote:

> What i sit with web building software?
> 
> Remember back to the 90's
> 
> Adobe Pagemill? - great web building software that Adobe pulled the plug on
> 
> Microsoft had FrontPage - not as good but useful until discontinued
> 
> Didn't Apple have something similar that is also discontinued around the same time?
> 
> Kel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

Mike Wheadon
mrwheadon at mac.com






From vickiannej at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 14 21:18:42 2011
From: vickiannej at yahoo.com (Vicki Jones)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 04:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] Please unsubscribe me
Message-ID: <55309.21300.qm@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

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From ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au  Tue Jun 14 21:37:30 2011
From: ittech at mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au (Sam Osborne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:37:30 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <8F05C787-2CC6-446D-BFA1-52CA7956AF90@mac.com>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<EAD7425D-406E-47DF-BF47-719EB7889455@wazmac.com>
	<20110614124415.18715yrwygq34ask@webmail.netregistry.net>
	<8F05C787-2CC6-446D-BFA1-52CA7956AF90@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5EF79177-AD86-4B92-9DBD-2EFA0E14FECD@mackillop-bathurst.nsw.edu.au>

Maybe they pushing more onto the Wiki/Blogs provided by Server, but it's lacking editing features ATM especially from an iOS device.  Haven't seen how it is in Lion yet... 
_________________________
Sam Osborne
IT Technician
MacKillop College
t : 02 6338 2200
www.mkc.nsw.edu.au

On 14/06/2011, at 9:13 PM, Mike Wheadon wrote:

> And Kel,
> Let's not forget Netscape Composer while we're at it! I must have a web page somewhere made with that.
> And like others of you I travelled with Dreamweaver from V3 with Macromedia to the overtake by Adobe and left it after CS3 - running school websites - and finally left them as Moodle provided the platform for teachers and students to have a place for them to make their own learning spaces independent of a 'web person'.
> iWeb is great and I'll keep using it while it's around, until something better comes along, as it will.
> 
> But I would question whether iWeb is the 'weapon against Windows' - lots of other reasons, even if iWeb didn't exist. 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 12:44 PM, kel at edugator.net.au wrote:
> 
>> What i sit with web building software?
>> 
>> Remember back to the 90's
>> 
>> Adobe Pagemill? - great web building software that Adobe pulled the plug on
>> 
>> Microsoft had FrontPage - not as good but useful until discontinued
>> 
>> Didn't Apple have something similar that is also discontinued around the same time?
>> 
>> Kel
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> Mike Wheadon
> mrwheadon at mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced



From jbradley at internode.on.net  Tue Jun 14 22:13:32 2011
From: jbradley at internode.on.net (Jason Bradley)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:43:32 +0930
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <8C91E2BC-06BF-4BCA-B012-C74E43447819@kambala.nsw.edu.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
	<92DF4831-0E9C-4E9B-BEAE-51911CBAB3D0@pnc.com.au>
	<8C91E2BC-06BF-4BCA-B012-C74E43447819@kambala.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <42183FDA-DE15-423C-98FE-0BE5CEC560DD@internode.on.net>

While we are talking about alternatives don't forget the app that many believe that iWeb originated from, Rapidweaver. It is still around, still being updated and still works better than iWeb ever did.

Jason

Sent from my iPad

Jason Bradley
HT Quality Teaching/IT Manager
Broken Hill High School
Broken Hill NSW 2880
http://www.brokenhill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au
jason.bradley at det.nsw.edu.au
Ph: (08) 80881522
Mobile:  0418 221 977
Fax:  0880878267

On 14/06/2011, at 12:38 PM, Mike Parker <mparker at kambala.nsw.edu.au> wrote:

> If apple is giving users 5GB of space in the "icloud" and hosting a website is essentially the same thing as hosting some files, why would they cancel webhosting?  It doesn't make sense so I wouldn't get carried away with the rumors.
> 
> iweb is a great tool, but there are some other great alternatives.  I just converted an iweb website to weebly.com this weekend so that my sister in law could modify her website from anywhere with a web browser.  The site is free, but I opted to support them by purchasing the pro version and to register a domain from them for a total of about $85/year. weebly also has some education tools, that I've yet to look at, but I think this is really the future.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 14/06/2011, at 11:12 AM, Karen Binns wrote:
> 
>> Yes I agree.
>> We use iWeb extensively. 
>> Just when we get staff using it for class websites. 
>> 
>> What is the best way to get our voice heard?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Karen 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 14/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Rod Blitvich <rblit at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Further to earlier discussions:
>>> 
>>> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
>>> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
>>> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
>>> 
>>> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
>>> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
>>> 
>>> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
>>> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Blitto
>>> Rod Blitvich 
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>>  0409 681 256  
>>>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>>>  http://web.me.com/blitto
>>> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> _______________________________________________
>> Maced mailing list
>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
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From hmiddlin at ccw.vic.edu.au  Wed Jun 15 08:54:03 2011
From: hmiddlin at ccw.vic.edu.au (Hayden Middlin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:54:03 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Email-collaborative systems
In-Reply-To: <CA1D59F2.58AF%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>
References: <CA1D59F2.58AF%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <11CE3322-908E-4282-856C-47B05945810D@ccw.vic.edu.au>

Hello David,

Maybe look at google school.
You can use your existing domain name and link to your LDAP authentication etc.


Regards,


Hayden






On 14/06/2011, at 7:10 PM, David Jones wrote:

> Since the early 90s we have used FirstClass as our email and collaboration system, for administrative staff, teaching staff and secondary students. The ability for teachers to easily create shared and collaborative conferences and workspaces has been the glue that has held our 1:1 laptop program and curriculum delivery together.
> However, we may have to move from FirstClass in the foreseeable future. I would like feedback on systems other schools are using for communication with their staff and students, both by email and via collaborative spaces. Any system would need to:
> allow efficient management of staff and student accounts by group;
> enable teachers, sports coaches and other leaders to manage their own collaborative spaces, ie. decentralised control.
> be 'cool' enough for adolescents to want to use it.
> be cost effective.
> What would be your suggestions?
> 
> David Jones
> IT Systems Manager
> Scotch College Adelaide
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

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From rhysted at mac.com  Wed Jun 15 11:30:25 2011
From: rhysted at mac.com (Rod Hysted)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:30:25 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Live from Las Vegas - An Informative Look at Lion Server
In-Reply-To: <D0410EA0-60ED-4B6E-8AB2-5EFF7445BFB1@edumail.vic.gov.au>
References: <D0410EA0-60ED-4B6E-8AB2-5EFF7445BFB1@edumail.vic.gov.au>
Message-ID: <159957E3-D46C-4B45-8D12-C9353A479454@mac.com>

I thought this could be useful to some of us.

http://blog.brianstucki.com/post/6535759256/lionserver

Regards

Rod

Rod Hysted
Assistant Principal
Healesville Primary School

View St, Healesville 3777

PO Box 222, Healesville 3777

Phone: 613 5962 4053
Fax: 613 5962 6201






From djones at scotch.sa.edu.au  Wed Jun 15 11:33:28 2011
From: djones at scotch.sa.edu.au (David Jones)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:03:28 +0930
Subject: [Maced] Email-collaborative systems
In-Reply-To: <11CE3322-908E-4282-856C-47B05945810D@ccw.vic.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CA1E41C8.59ED%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>

Yes, Google is a possibility. I didn't know about the LDAP integration,
which is most interesting.
Thanks,
David

From:  Hayden Middlin <hmiddlin at ccw.vic.edu.au>
Reply-To:  MacEd <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
Date:  Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:54:03 +1000
To:  MacEd <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
Subject:  Re: [Maced] Email-collaborative systems

Hello David,

Maybe look at google school.
You can use your existing domain name and link to your LDAP authentication
etc.


Regards,


Hayden






On 14/06/2011, at 7:10 PM, David Jones wrote:

> Since the early 90s we have used FirstClass as our email and collaboration
> system, for administrative staff, teaching staff and secondary students. The
> ability for teachers to easily create shared and collaborative conferences and
> workspaces has been the glue that has held our 1:1 laptop program and
> curriculum delivery together.
> However, we may have to move from FirstClass in the foreseeable future. I
> would like feedback on systems other schools are using for communication with
> their staff and students, both by email and via collaborative spaces. Any
> system would need to:
> * allow efficient management of staff and student accounts by group;
> * enable teachers, sports coaches and other leaders to manage their own
> collaborative spaces, ie. decentralised control.
> * be 'cool' enough for adolescents to want to use it.
> * be cost effective.
> What would be your suggestions?
> 
> David Jones
> IT Systems Manager
> Scotch College Adelaide
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

_______________________________________________ Maced mailing list
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From djones at scotch.sa.edu.au  Wed Jun 15 11:50:01 2011
From: djones at scotch.sa.edu.au (David Jones)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:20:01 +0930
Subject: [Maced] Google Apps
In-Reply-To: <11CE3322-908E-4282-856C-47B05945810D@ccw.vic.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CA1E4582.5A11%djones@scotch.sa.edu.au>

Has your school gone with Google Apps for Education?
What are your experiences?

David
@Scotch


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From chaynes at immanuelps.sa.edu.au  Wed Jun 15 16:21:30 2011
From: chaynes at immanuelps.sa.edu.au (Christine Haynes)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:51:30 +0930
Subject: [Maced] iWeb/MobileMe demise
In-Reply-To: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
References: <7A95B1DF-3344-4081-918E-55A36C543FA2@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <9B65808D-406A-460D-ABBF-8E1016FEA37C@immanuelps.sa.edu.au>

I agree completely. iWeb is what makes it possible for very young students to publish multimodal work (voice recording, video recordings, photo booth movies, podcasts, photos, webpages...).  Coupled with iLife integration iWeb is what make the impossible possible in a Primary school.   We use iWeb extensively for ePortfolios. Don't know what I'll do without it. We also use Apple Wikis and Blogs and link to the sites we create in iWeb...  but ATM the wiki functionality is nothing like iWeb.

What is the Apple alternative for this functionality? 

Christine
 
Christine Haynes
ICT Coordinator
Immanuel Primary School
Saratoga Avenue
Novar Gardens, SA 5040
ph 08 8294 8422 fax 08 8295 8828
chaynes at immanuelps.sa.edu.au

Apple Distinguished Educator, 2011
















On 14/06/2011, at 8:06 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote:

> Further to earlier discussions:
> 
> iWeb was a classic weapon to hold up in the Mac vs Windows battle at schools.
> Nothing compares for quick, easy, idiot-proof website construction in school!
> To the point where i pursue it even with kids who don't have mobileme hosting. Just to do a science project in iWeb and publish it locally to the user's hard drive is brilliant.
> 
> It would be a very sad day if Apple turns it's back on this at a school level.
> PLEASE Apple people - pass it on up the hierarchy!
> 
> Steve Jobs says iWeb and MobileMe hosting are going away
> Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb
> 
> 
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rblit at iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> <ADE_Logo_gray.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/12/rumor-steve-jobs-iweb-mobileme/
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/steve-jobs-confirms-discontinuation-of-iweb-in-icloud-transition/
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced

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From dwren at padua.qld.edu.au  Thu Jun 16 11:56:06 2011
From: dwren at padua.qld.edu.au (David Wren)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:56:06 +1000
Subject: [Maced] eMacs not logging in
Message-ID: <A0D824FA-63B1-45E5-956B-AF8A2317480E@padua.qld.edu.au>

Hi All,

I've had to change our network settings in anticipation of joining networks with our secondary department.
Server IP
Subnet Mask
DHCP IP addresses
Fixed IP addresses for printers.

All appears to be working except for the logging in on our old eMacs running 10.4.11.
They show the list of network users but when attempting to log in every user (except local accounts) gets a long pause and then the login window shakes as if the password was incorrect.
I can log in as a local admin user and connect to the server (?K) and get network users to enter their details as below and they can then  mount their home folder and other sharepoints.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why login is unsuccessful at the login window?

David Wren
Padua College
Technology Support Yrs 5 to 7
e dwren at padua.qld.edu.au
w 3857 9999
direct 3857 9932
m 0408 789 608

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From warren at wazmac.com  Thu Jun 16 15:26:49 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:26:49 +1000
Subject: [Maced] eMacs not logging in
In-Reply-To: <A0D824FA-63B1-45E5-956B-AF8A2317480E@padua.qld.edu.au>
References: <A0D824FA-63B1-45E5-956B-AF8A2317480E@padua.qld.edu.au>
Message-ID: <DA16D799-B83E-423E-8A9B-842756C8F48A@wazmac.com>

I am guessing this is a DNS issue?

Win AD server?

Warren


On 16/06/2011, at 11:56 AM, David Wren wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I've had to change our network settings in anticipation of joining networks with our secondary department.
> Server IP
> Subnet Mask
> DHCP IP addresses
> Fixed IP addresses for printers.
> 
> All appears to be working except for the logging in on our old eMacs running 10.4.11.
> They show the list of network users but when attempting to log in every user (except local accounts) gets a long pause and then the login window shakes as if the password was incorrect.
> I can log in as a local admin user and connect to the server (?K) and get network users to enter their details as below and they can then  mount their home folder and other sharepoints.
> <Screen shot 2011-06-16 at 11.49.22 AM.png>
> Does anyone have any ideas as to why login is unsuccessful at the login window?
> 
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From dwren at padua.qld.edu.au  Thu Jun 16 16:00:33 2011
From: dwren at padua.qld.edu.au (David Wren)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:00:33 +1000
Subject: [Maced] eMacs not logging in
In-Reply-To: <DA16D799-B83E-423E-8A9B-842756C8F48A@wazmac.com>
References: <A0D824FA-63B1-45E5-956B-AF8A2317480E@padua.qld.edu.au>
	<DA16D799-B83E-423E-8A9B-842756C8F48A@wazmac.com>
Message-ID: <6F5FC374-41A7-420F-A0CA-BC36DFE7BDE3@padua.qld.edu.au>

Hi Warren,
I use our Snow Leopard Server as a Standalone OD server and as our DNS server.
Logging on as a local user and using Network Utility it appears to resolve OK using both DNS and IP

David Wren


On 16/06/2011, at 3:26 PM, Warren McCullough wrote:

> I am guessing this is a DNS issue?
> 
> Win AD server?
> 
> Warren
> 
> 
> On 16/06/2011, at 11:56 AM, David Wren wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've had to change our network settings in anticipation of joining networks with our secondary department.
>> Server IP
>> Subnet Mask
>> DHCP IP addresses
>> Fixed IP addresses for printers.
>> 
>> All appears to be working except for the logging in on our old eMacs running 10.4.11.
>> They show the list of network users but when attempting to log in every user (except local accounts) gets a long pause and then the login window shakes as if the password was incorrect.
>> I can log in as a local admin user and connect to the server (?K) and get network users to enter their details as below and they can then  mount their home folder and other sharepoints.
>> <Screen shot 2011-06-16 at 11.49.22 AM.png>
>> Does anyone have any ideas as to why login is unsuccessful at the login window?
>> 
>> David Wren
>> Padua College
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From mrwheadon at mac.com  Thu Jun 16 17:50:40 2011
From: mrwheadon at mac.com (Mike Wheadon)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:50:40 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Non admins releasing print jobs
Message-ID: <9512905B-2FBC-4F5C-A387-CA2F7A821B59@mac.com>

Having the problem on 10.5.8 and 10.6.x machines needing admin credentials to 'unpause' print jobs. Does anyone know how to allow non admins 'unpause' print jobs?
Mike


From TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au  Thu Jun 16 23:47:18 2011
From: TungateS at tranby.wa.edu.au (Shane Tungate)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:47:18 +0000
Subject: [Maced] eMacs not logging in
In-Reply-To: <6F5FC374-41A7-420F-A0CA-BC36DFE7BDE3@padua.qld.edu.au>
References: <A0D824FA-63B1-45E5-956B-AF8A2317480E@padua.qld.edu.au>
	<DA16D799-B83E-423E-8A9B-842756C8F48A@wazmac.com>,
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Message-ID: <47618329-C382-4F48-BE05-7B582F544DE4@tranby.wa.edu.au>

You may need to check the time on the machines to make sure they are all in synch. Kerberos is not forgiving

On 16/06/2011, at 2:02 PM, "David Wren" <dwren at padua.qld.edu.au<mailto:dwren at padua.qld.edu.au>> wrote:

Hi Warren,
I use our Snow Leopard Server as a Standalone OD server and as our DNS server.
Logging on as a local user and using Network Utility it appears to resolve OK using both DNS and IP
<Screen shot 2011-06-16 at 3.52.08 PM.png>
David Wren


On 16/06/2011, at 3:26 PM, Warren McCullough wrote:

I am guessing this is a DNS issue?

Win AD server?

Warren


On 16/06/2011, at 11:56 AM, David Wren wrote:

Hi All,

I've had to change our network settings in anticipation of joining networks with our secondary department.
Server IP
Subnet Mask
DHCP IP addresses
Fixed IP addresses for printers.

All appears to be working except for the logging in on our old eMacs running 10.4.11.
They show the list of network users but when attempting to log in every user (except local accounts) gets a long pause and then the login window shakes as if the password was incorrect.
I can log in as a local admin user and connect to the server (?K) and get network users to enter their details as below and they can then  mount their home folder and other sharepoints.
<Screen shot 2011-06-16 at 11.49.22 AM.png>
Does anyone have any ideas as to why login is unsuccessful at the login window?

David Wren
Padua College
Technology Support Yrs 5 to 7
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From wicked_wes at mac.com  Fri Jun 17 20:51:01 2011
From: wicked_wes at mac.com (Wes Warner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:51:01 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Maze reporting package
Message-ID: <FEACEB6B-50B6-443C-A01B-D253C16B3F2C@mac.com>

Hi all

Does anyone use MAZE as their reporting package.  I am trying to increase the font size of the comments so I can read them on my screen and cannot find where this is possible (if at all)

I am resorting to connecting my laptop up the the 40 inch TV ATM  - something my family does not like

Any suggestions?

Wes


From warren at wazmac.com  Sat Jun 18 10:49:24 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:49:24 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Lion for Education
Message-ID: <9E1D5E9A-A312-401E-B840-817ECFC24B9B@wazmac.com>

Mmmmm.........

http://photos.appleinsider.com/US_OS_X_Lion_for_Business_and_Education-US_version.pdf

This is written for the US, so may be different in Australia. 


Warren





From maestroec at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 11:33:12 2011
From: maestroec at gmail.com (Elliott Chapman)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:33:12 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Lion for Education
In-Reply-To: <9E1D5E9A-A312-401E-B840-817ECFC24B9B@wazmac.com>
References: <9E1D5E9A-A312-401E-B840-817ECFC24B9B@wazmac.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinwg=fnCrnL-qeYvbZOok+GAhZ-dg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, this may be the easiest OS upgrade from Apple yet! Still it would take
a fair chunk of a school's budget, $5-10k for most primary schools to
purchase Lion + apps???

By the way, AppleWorks won't run on 10.7!

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Warren McCullough <warren at wazmac.com>wrote:

> Mmmmm.........
>
>
> http://photos.appleinsider.com/US_OS_X_Lion_for_Business_and_Education-US_version.pdf
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From paul.e.gray at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 13:30:05 2011
From: paul.e.gray at gmail.com (Paul Gray)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:30:05 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Need an AirPort Card???
Message-ID: <BANLkTik3zS9vzq+wVEQ3O+Kw8Dm9MxSJrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have two airport cards that I picked up at some markets about a year ago
and have never used. Tired of seeing them sit on the bookshelf so wondered
if they might be of use to anyone.

The first is an AirPort Card (M7600FE/E) - still in original box, which has
been opened, though the card itself is still sitting in original plastic and
packaging unopened. Box has copyright 2002 on it so that might give you an
idea of vintage.

The second is an AirPort Extreme Card (M8881FE/A Model No. A1027) again
still in original box, though this box is sealed. It also has a 2002 date on
the packaging.

Think I paid about $10 each and was planning on putting them in an old iMac
the kids were using, but when I got home and checked I discovered they
weren't for the iMac I had! At the time I was thinking $20 to get wireless
into the old mac was a pretty cheap deal.

Are they of use to anyone here?

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From warren at wazmac.com  Sat Jun 18 10:49:24 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:49:24 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Lion for Education
Message-ID: <9E1D5E9A-A312-401E-B840-817ECFC24B9B@wazmac.com>

Mmmmm.........

http://photos.appleinsider.com/US_OS_X_Lion_for_Business_and_Education-US_version.pdf

This is written for the US, so may be different in Australia. 


Warren





From mallee at mac.com  Mon Jun 20 10:28:02 2011
From: mallee at mac.com (Mal Lee)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:28:02 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Cool and awesome
Message-ID: <6EEB4564-5167-4C96-857E-BDE171D1470B@mac.com>

Dear colleagues

Don't know how many of you have the IMDB iPad app but it is utterly cool and awesome - and free

It also provides an insight into the kind of sophisticated reference source to which we should be working

Arrived home after watching the wonderful Mrs Carey's Concert at the local cinema

Decided to check out via the IMDB app some of the technical details about the movie

Not only did it give me that but via the GPS feed it told me where the movie was screening within 30km - and what the session times were

That was cool

And this is on top of its mind-blowing data base

Sadly my beloved old Halliwells, Maltin almanacs and encyclopaedia's are now on the way for recycling

Kind regards

Mal Lee

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From matt at skoss.org  Tue Jun 21 23:45:08 2011
From: matt at skoss.org (Matt Skoss)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:15:08 +0930
Subject: [Maced] Power adaptors for MacBook (60 Watt v 85 Watt)
Message-ID: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>

If buying additional power adaptors for MacBook laptops (not MacBook Pro), does anyone have a view about whether it is better to go for the larger or smaller power adaptor?

Regards, Matt.
0418-624 631

From warren at wazmac.com  Wed Jun 22 06:53:32 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:53:32 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Power adaptors for MacBook (60 Watt v 85 Watt)
In-Reply-To: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>
References: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>
Message-ID: <4CEBD9FC-4C2A-4CEA-A8E3-07BF59D8AA33@wazmac.com>

I think that the Macbooks ship with a 60W supply, and the MBP with 85W.

However I regularly (always) use an 85W adaptor with a MacBook with no ill effects. The Macbook is a few years old now, the battery has had nearly 600 "load cycles", and still maintains a 94% capacity. I think the battery charges more quickly with the 85W adaptor.

And the 60W and 85W adaptors are the same price.

I'd go with the 85W, but if you are worried, check with the local Apple technician who may be able to provide more accurate advice re warranties, etc.

Warren


On 21/06/2011, at 11:45 PM, Matt Skoss wrote:

> If buying additional power adaptors for MacBook laptops (not MacBook Pro), does anyone have a view about whether it is better to go for the larger or smaller power adaptor?
> 
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From edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au  Wed Jun 22 10:37:29 2011
From: edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au (Eugene)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:37:29 +0800
Subject: [Maced] Power adaptors for MacBook (60 Watt v 85 Watt)
In-Reply-To: <4CEBD9FC-4C2A-4CEA-A8E3-07BF59D8AA33@wazmac.com>
References: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>
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Message-ID: <2BBC1B0D-E839-44AD-A854-2659A008D080@helena.wa.edu.au>

Hi Matt,

I agree with Warren.

Conversely I have used an 60W adaptor on a MacBook Pro. It will not boot up a MBP if the battery is absolutely flat but will run after allowing it to stand for 10 minutes to get some charge into the unit and will then deliver sufficient power to run the laptop continuously.

I have purchased several Chinese clone power units off eBay and all have performed without any problems.


                      Regards,
                      Eugene
                  
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On 22/06/2011, at 4:53 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:

> I think that the Macbooks ship with a 60W supply, and the MBP with 85W.
> 
> However I regularly (always) use an 85W adaptor with a MacBook with no ill effects. The Macbook is a few years old now, the battery has had nearly 600 "load cycles", and still maintains a 94% capacity. I think the battery charges more quickly with the 85W adaptor.
> 
> And the 60W and 85W adaptors are the same price.
> 
> I'd go with the 85W, but if you are worried, check with the local Apple technician who may be able to provide more accurate advice re warranties, etc.
> 
> Warren
> 
> 
> On 21/06/2011, at 11:45 PM, Matt Skoss wrote:
> 
>> If buying additional power adaptors for MacBook laptops (not MacBook Pro), does anyone have a view about whether it is better to go for the larger or smaller power adaptor?
>> 
>> Regards, Matt.
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From ajistewart at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 12:54:42 2011
From: ajistewart at gmail.com (Andrew Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:54:42 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Power adaptors for MacBook (60 Watt v 85 Watt)
In-Reply-To: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>
References: <3AF5ACC8-B9ED-497A-8035-1EF6B8BA5450@skoss.org>
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the 85w gives less heat when recharging the laptops. i got an 85 for my MBP (the OEM with the MBP is the same as the Macbook) plus if you decide to upgrade and get a bigger laptop in the future, you still can use that power supply
On 21/06/2011, at 11:45 PM, Matt Skoss wrote:

> If buying additional power adaptors for MacBook laptops (not MacBook Pro), does anyone have a view about whether it is better to go for the larger or smaller power adaptor?
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From warren at wazmac.com  Thu Jun 23 06:59:07 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:59:07 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Collaborative Class Project
Message-ID: <2AD4FD98-C777-4AC1-86DE-9BA7548BFAFE@wazmac.com>

Hi all,

This may be an interesting opportunity for some schools....

http://goo.gl/75LrK

Students in your class can work on a shared project with classes around the globe.

Register now to commence a project in September 2011.


Warren


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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Thu Jun 23 12:28:02 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (Brett Moller)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:28:02 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Blended Learning Event
Message-ID: <E50F0D64-9805-4C8F-B272-989955639A2A@kingscollege.qld.edu.au>

Hi guys,

I know I plugged this last month but thought I would just let everyone know that we are still pushing ahead with an event with Dr Lisa Dawley around blended learning.

A bit about Lisa:
Lisa is arguably the worlds foremost authority on blended and online instruction.  With over 20 years of experience in teacher education research, practice, and policy, Dawley provides innovative leadership in the design and pedagogy of virtual environments for teaching and learning. She is co-author of the Going Virtual! research series studying professional development for K-12 online teachers. Dawley received a Top 20 Bestselling Books Award for her text, The Tools for Successful Online Teaching. She is a co-inventor of 3D GameLab, a quest-based learning software, and she created EDTECH Island, a virtual world resource supporting international teacher education. Dawley is also co-founder and Chair of the Applied Research in Virtual Environments for Learning Special Interest Group (ARVEL SIG) affiliated with the American Educational Research Association (AERA).


We have limited spots for this event.  If you are keen on coming along have a look at our website  

http://www.kingscollege.qld.edu.au/Skoolaborate

For the next week only we will be running a discount on registrations (50%) - When you click through to the registration just use the code KCCGUEST and you will recieve your rego at half price.  If you are keen to come and would be traveling from interstate please feel free to contact me for help with accommodation.

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From lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au  Thu Jun 23 15:29:08 2011
From: lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au (William Lelong)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:29:08 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
Message-ID: <20110623052908.e284f1f9@mail.fahan.tas.edu.au>

Hi,


I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 


Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.


Thanks,


William



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From mike_parker at kambala.nsw.edu.au  Thu Jun 23 20:32:49 2011
From: mike_parker at kambala.nsw.edu.au (Mike Parker)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:32:49 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
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Hi William,
It sounds like your talking about digital signage.  

There are some free open source digital signage options.  A google search will give you some choices.  Most work with a publishing component and a viewing component. 

Alternatively you could setup something where you have the clients point to a website and get their web browsers to refresh every few minutes.

Probably allot of ways of doing this, you just need to think of how sophisticated you want you end product to be.

Mike Parker

On Jun 23, 2011, at 3:29 PM, "William Lelong" <lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 
> 
> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
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From mrmascorella at me.com  Thu Jun 23 20:46:44 2011
From: mrmascorella at me.com (Mr. Mascorella)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:46:44 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
In-Reply-To: <CE99EF23-56E4-4C0B-A4DE-18D79D50BC77@kambala.nsw.edu.au>
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Hi,

Have you thought about using Keynote? It is very powerful, can handle images video etc, and is very easy to edit. It can also be set to automatically loop, change slides, and run via a timer. Might be easier..

Cheers,

Jonathon


On 23/06/2011, at 8:32 PM, Mike Parker wrote:

> Hi William,
> It sounds like your talking about digital signage.  
> 
> There are some free open source digital signage options.  A google search will give you some choices.  Most work with a publishing component and a viewing component. 
> 
> Alternatively you could setup something where you have the clients point to a website and get their web browsers to refresh every few minutes.
> 
> Probably allot of ways of doing this, you just need to think of how sophisticated you want you end product to be.
> 
> Mike Parker
> 
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 3:29 PM, "William Lelong" <lelongw at fahan.tas.edu.au> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
>> Fisher Avenue, Sandy Bay, TAS 7005 Hobart Australia
>> 
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From warren at wazmac.com  Fri Jun 24 06:51:11 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:51:11 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Mrs K's Class
Message-ID: <49545490-8DC7-444B-BBD1-7F754D3B3032@wazmac.com>

Hi all,

A teacher who is new to blogging has setup a class blog for her Year 1 class at Craigburn PS in SA.

http://mrsksclass.edublogs.org/

Take a minute to drop by and see what the kids have been up to, and maybe leave a comment for them. They would love to know that the larger community is viewing their work!

Thanks,
Warren

From matt at skoss.org  Fri Jun 24 07:28:21 2011
From: matt at skoss.org (Matt Skoss)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:58:21 +0930
Subject: [Maced] iTunes - not responding as soon as I connect an iPhone, iPad,
	etc.
Message-ID: <1901B99A-FED1-4C70-B02B-C60A73BE4C15@skoss.org>

If no iDevice is connected to my Mac, iTunes works perfectly...downloading apps, importing media content from the hard drives.

As soon as I connect a device, I get the spinning beach ball, and no syncing can happen.

Are there any permissions to repair, plist file to delete that can be re-created?

Hoping for some sage advice!

Regards, Matt.

From David.Clark at stpatricks.tas.edu.au  Fri Jun 24 08:37:47 2011
From: David.Clark at stpatricks.tas.edu.au (David Clark)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:37:47 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iTunes - not responding as soon as I connect an iPhone,
	iPad, etc.
In-Reply-To: <1901B99A-FED1-4C70-B02B-C60A73BE4C15@skoss.org>
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Hi Matt,

This article might help:

	http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1747

Cheers,
David.

On 24/06/2011, at 7:28 AM, Matt Skoss wrote:

> If no iDevice is connected to my Mac, iTunes works perfectly...downloading apps, importing media content from the hard drives.
> 
> As soon as I connect a device, I get the spinning beach ball, and no syncing can happen.
> 
> Are there any permissions to repair, plist file to delete that can be re-created?
> 
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From dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au  Fri Jun 24 11:05:07 2011
From: dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au (Duncan Gillespie)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:05:07 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
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Hi William

We have been exploring this for the last 18 months and have yet to  
find a solution that will manage multiple screens attached to OS X  
machines in the way we desire.

We have used Apple Remote Desktop for managing content on one screen  
(attached to a Mac Mini) but have found that is really only manageable  
for a 1:1 situation.

I imagine what you are looking for (as are we) is a system that allows  
us to create and/or import and stream content and then choose which  
screens it gets displayed on (preferably at what time too). The  
functionality that tends to be missing is the ability to select groups  
of devices and send content to the those (changing) groups.

Our next step is to try a couple of Apple TVs (although scouring  
forums has not given much hope or guidance with the ability for these  
to be controlled remotely in this way) and to explore a device /  
software combination being sold locally by Electroboard - the HMP200 http://www.spinetix.com/hmp200

Any ideas appreciated!

Cheers

Duncan Gillespie
Director of ICT
The Friends' School

www.friends.tas.edu.au
23 Commercial Road
North Hobart  7002
Tasmania
Australia
dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au
62102200


On 23/06/2011, at 3:29 PM, William Lelong wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs)  
> with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by  
> Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to  
> see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was  
> thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an  
> RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some  
> customisability of the screen layout.
>
> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could  
> suggest software/setup options.
>
> Thanks,
>
> William
>
>
> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
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From leigh.finney at compnow.com.au  Fri Jun 24 11:12:42 2011
From: leigh.finney at compnow.com.au (Leigh Finney)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:12:42 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
In-Reply-To: <68082E86-C8F3-4185-A3C4-54DB047005C6@friends.tas.edu.au>
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Have you guys looked at Sedna?

Digital Signage for Macs


On 24/06/2011, at 11:05 AM, Duncan Gillespie wrote:

> Hi William
> 
> We have been exploring this for the last 18 months and have yet to find a solution that will manage multiple screens attached to OS X machines in the way we desire.
> 
> We have used Apple Remote Desktop for managing content on one screen (attached to a Mac Mini) but have found that is really only manageable for a 1:1 situation.
> 
> I imagine what you are looking for (as are we) is a system that allows us to create and/or import and stream content and then choose which screens it gets displayed on (preferably at what time too). The functionality that tends to be missing is the ability to select groups of devices and send content to the those (changing) groups.
> 
> Our next step is to try a couple of Apple TVs (although scouring forums has not given much hope or guidance with the ability for these to be controlled remotely in this way) and to explore a device / software combination being sold locally by Electroboard - the HMP200 http://www.spinetix.com/hmp200
> 
> Any ideas appreciated!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Duncan Gillespie
> Director of ICT
> The Friends' School
> 
> www.friends.tas.edu.au
> 23 Commercial Road
> North Hobart  7002
> Tasmania
> Australia
> dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au
> 62102200
> 
> 
> On 23/06/2011, at 3:29 PM, William Lelong wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
>> Fisher Avenue, Sandy Bay, TAS 7005 Hobart Australia
>> 
>> Small School, Big Future
>> CRICOS 00476G
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>>    
>> 
>> 
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From leigh.finney at compnow.com.au  Fri Jun 24 11:15:51 2011
From: leigh.finney at compnow.com.au (Leigh Finney)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:15:51 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
In-Reply-To: <68082E86-C8F3-4185-A3C4-54DB047005C6@friends.tas.edu.au>
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Just another thought 
Set up Keynote presentation on a machine and use Apple Remote Desktop (Share Screen to multiple computers)
Should be simple to operate but would require a break when changing displays


On 24/06/2011, at 11:05 AM, Duncan Gillespie wrote:

> Hi William
> 
> We have been exploring this for the last 18 months and have yet to find a solution that will manage multiple screens attached to OS X machines in the way we desire.
> 
> We have used Apple Remote Desktop for managing content on one screen (attached to a Mac Mini) but have found that is really only manageable for a 1:1 situation.
> 
> I imagine what you are looking for (as are we) is a system that allows us to create and/or import and stream content and then choose which screens it gets displayed on (preferably at what time too). The functionality that tends to be missing is the ability to select groups of devices and send content to the those (changing) groups.
> 
> Our next step is to try a couple of Apple TVs (although scouring forums has not given much hope or guidance with the ability for these to be controlled remotely in this way) and to explore a device / software combination being sold locally by Electroboard - the HMP200 http://www.spinetix.com/hmp200
> 
> Any ideas appreciated!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Duncan Gillespie
> Director of ICT
> The Friends' School
> 
> www.friends.tas.edu.au
> 23 Commercial Road
> North Hobart  7002
> Tasmania
> Australia
> dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au
> 62102200
> 
> 
> On 23/06/2011, at 3:29 PM, William Lelong wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 	p: +61 3 6225 1064 | f: +61 3 6225 1263 | w: www.fahan.tas.edu.au
>> Fisher Avenue, Sandy Bay, TAS 7005 Hobart Australia
>> 
>> Small School, Big Future
>> CRICOS 00476G
>> 
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From barryjames at fastmail.com.au  Fri Jun 24 11:32:51 2011
From: barryjames at fastmail.com.au (Barry)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:32:51 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
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Can you use Dropbox in any way?

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/27/mac-mini-and-dropbox-getting-it-done/


From edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au  Fri Jun 24 11:33:02 2011
From: edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au (Eugene)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:33:02 +0800
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
In-Reply-To: <CA0D2505-FADF-4261-8A5D-4F59952817F0@compnow.com.au>
References: <20110623052908.e284f1f9@mail.fahan.tas.edu.au>
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Point all of the display computers to a web page which has an auto refresh set to 10 minutes.

Advantage is that you could include graphics, animations, banners etc

With a bit of coding you can have auto scrolling text.

You can remove unnecessary menus, navigation etc from the display machines

Update the web page and you will see the new message appear when the page is auto updated on the display machines.

You can even point every browser in the school to this as their homepage... We have the technology, we will control you.

                      Regards,
                      Eugene
                  

On 24/06/2011, at 9:15 AM, Leigh Finney wrote:

> Just another thought 
> Set up Keynote presentation on a machine and use Apple Remote Desktop (Share Screen to multiple computers)
> Should be simple to operate but would require a break when changing displays
> 
> 
> On 24/06/2011, at 11:05 AM, Duncan Gillespie wrote:
> 
>> Hi William
>> 
>> We have been exploring this for the last 18 months and have yet to find a solution that will manage multiple screens attached to OS X machines in the way we desire.
>> 
>> We have used Apple Remote Desktop for managing content on one screen (attached to a Mac Mini) but have found that is really only manageable for a 1:1 situation.
>> 
>> I imagine what you are looking for (as are we) is a system that allows us to create and/or import and stream content and then choose which screens it gets displayed on (preferably at what time too). The functionality that tends to be missing is the ability to select groups of devices and send content to the those (changing) groups.
>> 
>> Our next step is to try a couple of Apple TVs (although scouring forums has not given much hope or guidance with the ability for these to be controlled remotely in this way) and to explore a device / software combination being sold locally by Electroboard - the HMP200 http://www.spinetix.com/hmp200
>> 
>> Any ideas appreciated!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Duncan Gillespie
>> Director of ICT
>> The Friends' School
>> 
>> www.friends.tas.edu.au
>> 23 Commercial Road
>> North Hobart  7002
>> Tasmania
>> Australia
>> dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au
>> 62102200
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/06/2011, at 3:29 PM, William Lelong wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events, notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout. 
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest software/setup options.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> William
>>> 
>>> 
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From michaelrosenbrock at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 11:43:38 2011
From: michaelrosenbrock at gmail.com (Michael Rosenbrock)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:43:38 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Notices Display Screens
In-Reply-To: <38456BF9-723A-4CCE-BFFB-562F3E5B4E71@helena.wa.edu.au>
References: <20110623052908.e284f1f9@mail.fahan.tas.edu.au>
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I'll second this suggestion - we use something like this in our school
(although it isn't digital signage, it is actually a touchscreen that the
students can interact with).

If it is just for digital signage (no interaction) then all that is
necessary is a web browser set to full screen (as Eugene suggests, you can
add a few lines of html to make the page refresh at a set interval).

You could do separate pages for different screens if they needed to have
variations in content. If you used something like WordPress to run the site,
you could mix and match the content really nicely (as well as being able to
draw in things from RSS feeds/etc - our setup pulls upcoming dates straight
from a Google calendar that staff can edit directly in iCal).

Cheers,

Michael

On 24 June 2011 11:33, Eugene <edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au> wrote:

> Point all of the display computers to a web page which has an auto refresh
> set to 10 minutes.
>
> Advantage is that you could include graphics, animations, banners etc
>
> With a bit of coding you can have auto scrolling text.
>
> You can remove unnecessary menus, navigation etc from the display machines
>
> Update the web page and you will see the new message appear when the page
> is auto updated on the display machines.
>
> You can even point every browser in the school to this as their homepage...
> We have the technology, we will control you.
>
>
>                       Regards,
>
>                       Eugene
>
>
> On 24/06/2011, at 9:15 AM, Leigh Finney wrote:
>
> Just another thought
> Set up Keynote presentation on a machine and use Apple Remote Desktop
> (Share Screen to multiple computers)
> Should be simple to operate but would require a break when changing
> displays
>
>
> On 24/06/2011, at 11:05 AM, Duncan Gillespie wrote:
>
> Hi William
>
> We have been exploring this for the last 18 months and have yet to find a
> solution that will manage multiple screens attached to OS X machines in the
> way we desire.
>
> We have used Apple Remote Desktop for managing content on one screen
> (attached to a Mac Mini) but have found that is really only manageable for a
> 1:1 situation.
>
> I imagine what you are looking for (as are we) is a system that allows us
> to create and/or import and stream content and then choose which screens it
> gets displayed on (preferably at what time too). The functionality that
> tends to be missing is the ability to select groups of devices and send
> content to the those (changing) groups.
>
> Our next step is to try a couple of Apple TVs (although scouring forums has
> not given much hope or guidance with the ability for these to be controlled
> remotely in this way) and to explore a device / software combination being
> sold locally by Electroboard - the HMP200 http://www.spinetix.com/hmp200
>
> Any ideas appreciated!
>
> Cheers
>
> Duncan Gillespie
> Director of ICT
> The Friends' School
>
> www.friends.tas.edu.au
> 23 Commercial Road
> North Hobart  7002
> Tasmania
> Australia
> dgillesp at friends.tas.edu.au
> 62102200
>
>
> On 23/06/2011, at 3:29 PM, William Lelong wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for some options for setting up screens (or older imacs) with a
> simple on screen display of notices that can be controlled by Office staff
> and selected teachers. To enable students to be able to see current events,
> notices etc in key areas of the school. I was thinking the simplest solution
> for creating the notices would be an RSS feed but I'm now looking for
> something that will give me some customisability of the screen layout.
>
> Just wondering if anyone is doing something similar and could suggest
> software/setup options.
>
> Thanks,
>
> William
>
>
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From jocknjo1 at bigpond.com  Fri Jun 24 18:29:30 2011
From: jocknjo1 at bigpond.com (Jock Webb)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:29:30 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iMovie crash
Message-ID: <a06240800ca29faa1179c@[10.0.0.1]>

A colleague with a Macbook running 10.5.8 us editing some movies 
using iMovie. All is going fine until he clicks on the transitions 
icon. Then it crashes. Chucked the  prefs file and seemed like it was 
fixed, but resumed after three uses. Hmm. Ideas?
Cheers
Jock


From tony at itmadesimple.com  Sat Jun 25 09:21:30 2011
From: tony at itmadesimple.com (Tony Richards)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:21:30 +1000
Subject: [Maced] History of Computing Mac vs Win Infographic
Message-ID: <79021729-BC90-44DC-9BCF-E42FE2B85535@itmadesimple.com>

Hi all,

You might want to check out the following infographic by Sean Lind on the History of Computing "Mac vs Windows" brings back some interesting memories:

Infographic: http://goo.gl/ZGgPY

Website: http://www.manolution.com/2011/06/microsoft-vs-apple-the-history-of-computing-infographic/

Regards

Tony



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From coachrobbo at mac.com  Sat Jun 25 13:07:33 2011
From: coachrobbo at mac.com (Simon Robinson)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:07:33 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Cool and awesome
In-Reply-To: <6EEB4564-5167-4C96-857E-BDE171D1470B@mac.com>
References: <6EEB4564-5167-4C96-857E-BDE171D1470B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44D22849-8DAD-463C-A00C-923307811E1C@mac.com>

Mal,


You may be interested in what Push Pop Press are doing...
http://pushpoppress.com/about/

Simon

On 20/06/2011, at 10:28 AM, Mal Lee wrote:

> Dear colleagues
> 
> Don't know how many of you have the IMDB iPad app but it is utterly cool and awesome - and free
> 
> It also provides an insight into the kind of sophisticated reference source to which we should be working
> 
> Arrived home after watching the wonderful Mrs Carey's Concert at the local cinema
> 
> Decided to check out via the IMDB app some of the technical details about the movie
> 
> Not only did it give me that but via the GPS feed it told me where the movie was screening within 30km - and what the session times were
> 
> That was cool
> 
> And this is on top of its mind-blowing data base
> 
> Sadly my beloved old Halliwells, Maltin almanacs and encyclopaedia's are now on the way for recycling
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Mal Lee
> 
> Author/educational consultant
> PO Box 5010 Broulee
> NSW  2537 Australia
> http://malleehome.com
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From matt at skoss.org  Sat Jun 25 13:43:59 2011
From: matt at skoss.org (Matt Skoss)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:13:59 +0930
Subject: [Maced] Cool and awesome
In-Reply-To: <44D22849-8DAD-463C-A00C-923307811E1C@mac.com>
References: <6EEB4564-5167-4C96-857E-BDE171D1470B@mac.com>
	<44D22849-8DAD-463C-A00C-923307811E1C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <123BAA03-63B0-4436-A532-E6D0F3456A78@skoss.org>

http://pushpoppress.com/about/

Hi Simon

How do ordinary folk access this interface at the authoring level, to create content to give away?

Or to have kids create content in this medium?

The aggregation of data on the fly to feed into a document (much like Wolfram Alpha does) has enormous potential for kids. 


Regards

Matt Skoss. 

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From 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 21:57:19 2011
From: 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:57:19 +0400
Subject: [Maced] Help us win
Message-ID: <3AC85DF6-6FFE-4E25-A318-A31CB5F49A2A@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone ..

This not the norm but I'll ask anyway ...

GEMS Royal Dubai School is #1 (at the moment !) on the Dubai 92 Radio txt poll. Could you send a txt or 2 & help us stay there (00971) 4009.  The profile of our school will be immeasurably assisted by winning this. Crazy I know. A heap of fun and the kids are just right into it. We need a last 24hr push.

Regards
Mark

Mark Stone
ICT Learning Coach

GEMS Royal Dubai School
PO Box 121310, Dubai, U.A.E
Tel +971 4 2886499, Fax +971 4 2886490, Mob +971567595411
Email:         m.stone_rds at gemsedu.com
Website:    http://www.royaldubaischool.com
Twitter:     http://www.twitter.com/gemsrds

GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
 

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From 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 21:58:51 2011
From: 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:58:51 +0400
Subject: [Maced] oops!
Message-ID: <C01EF017-E280-4A01-AF7C-792B2E0AA25F@gmail.com>

oops ... text ROYAL DUBAI SCHOOL to (00971)4009

Thanks

Mark Stone
ICT Learning Coach

GEMS Royal Dubai School
PO Box 121310, Dubai, U.A.E
Tel +971 4 2886499, Fax +971 4 2886490, Mob +971567595411
Email:         m.stone_rds at gemsedu.com
Website:    http://www.royaldubaischool.com
Twitter:     http://www.twitter.com/gemsrds

GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
 

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From GLENN.SOUTHWELL at det.nsw.edu.au  Sun Jun 26 19:45:53 2011
From: GLENN.SOUTHWELL at det.nsw.edu.au (Southwell, Glenn)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:45:53 +1000
Subject: [Maced] det ftp password formulae
Message-ID: <07A38EB6C79C1F41965E52E3CD628FF5450994B723@SLUGPEXMC21.central.det.win>


Have a message from a colleague and she is trying to upload to out web site... and she needs a password to 
"ftp.school.nsw.edu.au
is there a sort of formulae that the det uses
 so i could give her a clue


Glennn Southwell
              at
        The Rail 
Albion Park Rail Public
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From daveburke82 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 19:49:00 2011
From: daveburke82 at gmail.com (David Burke)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:49:00 +1000
Subject: [Maced] det ftp password formulae
In-Reply-To: <07A38EB6C79C1F41965E52E3CD628FF5450994B723@SLUGPEXMC21.central.det.win>
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Hi Glenn,

This is one for the help desk. The passwords are pretty random.

Dave.

On 26/06/2011, at 7:45 PM, Southwell, Glenn wrote:

> 
> Have a message from a colleague and she is trying to upload to out web site... and she needs a password to 
> "ftp.school.nsw.edu.au
> is there a sort of formulae that the det uses
> so i could give her a clue
> 
> 
> Glennn Southwell
>              at
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From daveburke82 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 19:49:54 2011
From: daveburke82 at gmail.com (David Burke)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:49:54 +1000
Subject: [Maced] det ftp password formulae
In-Reply-To: <07A38EB6C79C1F41965E52E3CD628FF5450994B723@SLUGPEXMC21.central.det.win>
References: <07A38EB6C79C1F41965E52E3CD628FF5450994B723@SLUGPEXMC21.central.det.win>
Message-ID: <870B363D-569D-48DB-A8BF-A5578FAA7F44@gmail.com>

btw - the server should be ftp.schools.nsw.edu.au

Note it's schoolS not school

Dave.

On 26/06/2011, at 7:45 PM, Southwell, Glenn wrote:

> 
> Have a message from a colleague and she is trying to upload to out web site... and she needs a password to 
> "ftp.school.nsw.edu.au
> is there a sort of formulae that the det uses
> so i could give her a clue
> 
> 
> Glennn Southwell
>              at
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From Greg.Norris at det.nsw.edu.au  Sun Jun 26 19:56:41 2011
From: Greg.Norris at det.nsw.edu.au (Norris, Greg)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:56:41 +1000
Subject: [Maced] det ftp password formulae
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We lost the ability to upload to ftp.schools.nsw.edu.au when we transitioned to schools website service bit I seem to remember that the password was the same as for the school admin email account?

Greg


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From GLENN.SOUTHWELL at det.nsw.edu.au  Sun Jun 26 20:06:14 2011
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:06:14 +1000
Subject: [Maced] det ftp password formulae
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Thanks u blokes...
not clicking any buttons though...
she will have to wait till we get to work tomorrow

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From martin at levins.net  Tue Jun 28 01:51:11 2011
From: martin at levins.net (martin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:51:11 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
Message-ID: <BCE0290A-12BB-4F98-807E-D247F9BC6E6B@levins.net>

Hello everybody

I'm at the International Society for Technology in Education (ISTE) conference in Philadelphia at the moment and have taken this opportunity to set up linked twitter and facebook identities for ICTENSW.

I'll be trying to give an Australian perspective on this massive conference, and will attempt to find some Aussies in the 15000+ crowd to talk to as well.

Please spread this around to your Personal Learning Network

For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW. Details of its genesis are available on the website, which should be your first port of call for information about the group and its excellent series of professional learning opportunities.

ICTENSW is an affiliate of the national ISTE affiliate Australian Council for Computers in Education (ACCE).

Enough acronyms yet?

You can follow at twitter.com/ICTENSW and the friend the facebook identity at http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002562699401

Cheers
Martin

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From warren at wazmac.com  Tue Jun 28 07:17:38 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:17:38 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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On 28/06/2011, at 1:51 AM, martin wrote:

> For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW.


I've always been worried about the interests of the technology that is using educators in NSW!

Maybe we need another group representing the educators being used by the technology.

:-)

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From mallee at mac.com  Tue Jun 28 07:50:36 2011
From: mallee at mac.com (Mal Lee)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:50:36 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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Smart a...

Just because you got a letter in the SMH!

Mal
On 28/06/2011, at 7:17 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:

> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 1:51 AM, martin wrote:
> 
>> For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW.
> 
> 
> I've always been worried about the interests of the technology that is using educators in NSW!
> 
> Maybe we need another group representing the educators being used by the technology.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Warren
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From warren at wazmac.com  Tue Jun 28 08:15:02 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:15:02 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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On 28/06/2011, at 7:50 AM, Mal Lee wrote:

> Smart a...
> 
> Just because you got a letter in the SMH!
> 
> Mal

:-)

But seriously, I thought we were (or should be) past the stage of the need for a group "representing technology-using educators".

Isn't that representing every teacher? Every Principal? Every school director? Every curriculum consultant?

Over the years I have seen the effects of separating 'technology' from the core curriculum. Remember the Computer Skills Assessment test in NSW? We had schools madly implementing a whole new KLA, installing computer labs to train kids in low-level skills to 'pass the test'.

It sounds a bit cliche I know, but ICT should be embedded in every facet of the curriculum. Promoting groups such as ICTENSW only further alienates new technologies from adoption by regular teachers in classrooms.

We are better served by education leaders such as Principals, directors and consultants modelling the use of new technologies to support learning environments.

Warren


> On 28/06/2011, at 7:17 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 28/06/2011, at 1:51 AM, martin wrote:
>> 
>>> For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW.
>> 
>> 
>> I've always been worried about the interests of the technology that is using educators in NSW!
>> 
>> Maybe we need another group representing the educators being used by the technology.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Warren
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From warren at wazmac.com  Tue Jun 28 08:25:08 2011
From: warren at wazmac.com (Warren McCullough)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:25:08 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Google Docs blocked?
Message-ID: <90C53298-3CBA-4494-82E0-2B2439887FE0@wazmac.com>

While I am banging on about 'new technologies', I was reminded of the possibilities offered by Web 2.0 technologies at a conference recently, where the presenter used an iPad with the presentation component of Google Docs. 

I suggested this option to a colleague as a free alternative to paid iPad apps, and an option that is accessible by students from any device, desktop or mobile, from school or home. Cloud computing.

However, the teacher advised me that Google Docs is blocked for student access in NSW K-6 public schools.

Anyone know why? Is Google Docs blocked for student access elsewhere in Australia? Is Google Docs inherently dangerous?

I joked about this with a friend in the US last night - he suggested that this had happened in US districts that had a license agreement with Microsoft, who were promoting a competing product.

Hopefully this is not the case in Australia?

Warren

From mallee at mac.com  Tue Jun 28 08:36:30 2011
From: mallee at mac.com (Mal Lee)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:36:30 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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Have to agree with Warren

For sure have a subject group to discuss the subject called computer science

But if - as most of the discussions are here - one wants to promote the astute use of the digital from the pre-primary years onwards in everyday teaching and administration   look as Warren suggests to involving every teacher -- and indeed most of the professional support staff

A stats to bear in mind

The young learn 24/7/365

They assist that learning by using a ever more sophisticated suite of digital technology virtually all the time they are awake every day of the year

Current schooling occupies less than 20% of the young's waking time each year.  The sums reveal it is more like 16%

The rest of the time - 80% plus - they use their technology largely unfettered

School use of the digital thus constitutes only a minor place in its overall use

Then bear in mind many schools/authorities markedly restrict 'net access in the school - and still limit computer use to a couple of classes

Little is the wonder why the research from the late 90's has been revealing it is in the home the young acquire and develop most of their digital skills - good and iffy

Might it be time to cease looking inward and to use the educational - as well as the technical expertise - of groups like this to assist the astute 24/7/365 use of the digital by the young?

Just a thought

Cheers

Mal 
On 28/06/2011, at 8:15 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:

> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 7:50 AM, Mal Lee wrote:
> 
>> Smart a...
>> 
>> Just because you got a letter in the SMH!
>> 
>> Mal
> 
> :-)
> 
> But seriously, I thought we were (or should be) past the stage of the need for a group "representing technology-using educators".
> 
> Isn't that representing every teacher? Every Principal? Every school director? Every curriculum consultant?
> 
> Over the years I have seen the effects of separating 'technology' from the core curriculum. Remember the Computer Skills Assessment test in NSW? We had schools madly implementing a whole new KLA, installing computer labs to train kids in low-level skills to 'pass the test'.
> 
> It sounds a bit cliche I know, but ICT should be embedded in every facet of the curriculum. Promoting groups such as ICTENSW only further alienates new technologies from adoption by regular teachers in classrooms.
> 
> We are better served by education leaders such as Principals, directors and consultants modelling the use of new technologies to support learning environments.
> 
> Warren
> 
> 
>> On 28/06/2011, at 7:17 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28/06/2011, at 1:51 AM, martin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always been worried about the interests of the technology that is using educators in NSW!
>>> 
>>> Maybe we need another group representing the educators being used by the technology.
>>> 
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Warren
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Maced mailing list
>>> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
>>> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>> 
>> 
>> Author/educational consultant
>> PO Box 5010 Broulee
>> NSW  2537 Australia
>> http://malleehome.com
>> Ph - + 61 2 44717 947
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From mlevins at as.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 08:43:24 2011
From: mlevins at as.edu.au (martin levins)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:43:24 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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On 28/06/2011, at 8:15 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:

> But seriously, I thought we were (or should be) past the stage of the need for a group "representing technology-using educators".
> Isn't that representing every teacher? Every Principal? Every school director? Every curriculum consultant?
> 
> Over the years I have seen the effects of separating 'technology' from the core curriculum. Remember the Computer Skills Assessment test in NSW? We had schools madly implementing a whole new KLA, installing computer labs to train kids in low-level skills to 'pass the test'.
> 
> It sounds a bit cliche I know, but ICT should be embedded in every facet of the curriculum. Promoting groups such as ICTENSW only further alienates new technologies from adoption by regular teachers in classrooms.
> 
> We are better served by education leaders such as Principals, directors and consultants modelling the use of new technologies to support learning environments.


Hi Warren

You are right of course, ICT should be embedded.

However, (and thanks for giving me the opportunity to expand) someone has to represent the use of ICT in schools - this is a simple political reality. Decisions made by governments, state and federal, will seek advice from a peak body and ICTENSW is that body for NSW. In turn, as an affiliate of ACCE, it represents the opinions and values of the state of NSW to the feds, and further, to ISTE.

ICTENSW also has a role to advise on matters of computer programming and the various associated courses in that realm ? that's essentially what it has been doing since its inception as the Computer Studies Teachers Association.

ACCE requested one affiliate from each state, and as the Computer Education Group was in an unsustainable financial position, CSTA and CEG effectively merged into the new group. This merger that was done with grace and respect for members of both groups, and I commend the work of Glenda Johnstone and Steve Madsen particularly for this.

ICTENSW now has to grow to accept its new role and seeks input from all teachers.

I highly recommend all teachers to look at the website, look at the training and PD offered by the group and take whatever part they feel is best for them.

Cheers
Martin

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From garry at gstokes.org  Tue Jun 28 09:24:40 2011
From: garry at gstokes.org (garry stokes)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:24:40 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Google Docs blocked?
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i think it is banned on the basis of personal storage

On 28 June 2011 08:25, Warren McCullough <warren at wazmac.com> wrote:
> While I am banging on about 'new technologies', I was reminded of the possibilities offered by Web 2.0 technologies at a conference recently, where the presenter used an iPad with the presentation component of Google Docs.
>
> I suggested this option to a colleague as a free alternative to paid iPad apps, and an option that is accessible by students from any device, desktop or mobile, from school or home. Cloud computing.
>
> However, the teacher advised me that Google Docs is blocked for student access in NSW K-6 public schools.
>
> Anyone know why? Is Google Docs blocked for student access elsewhere in Australia? Is Google Docs inherently dangerous?
>
> I joked about this with a friend in the US last night - he suggested that this had happened in US districts that had a license agreement with Microsoft, who were promoting a competing product.
>
> Hopefully this is not the case in Australia?
>
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced
>


From esheerin at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 10:35:12 2011
From: esheerin at gmail.com (Ellen Sheerin)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:35:12 -0400
Subject: [Maced] iPad users
Message-ID: <F3FCFAD0-F473-4956-91D9-9910339A5B23@gmail.com>


Made the commitment to only take the iPad with me on holiday. 90% of the tim perfect - light to carry, great to work with BUT running into a few issues. 

Any tips/suggestions to help out -no I haven't googled yet.

How do you select a block of text?  One or two paragraphs in a document say. I can select a word or sometimes a phrase or the whole thing nothing in between. 

Ellen in sunny Philadelphia where you need a jumper inside due to air conditioning!

Sent from my iPad

From paul.harmon at dbb.catholic.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 10:38:46 2011
From: paul.harmon at dbb.catholic.edu.au (Paul Harmon)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:38:46 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iPad users
In-Reply-To: <F3FCFAD0-F473-4956-91D9-9910339A5B23@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA2F5FB6.370C%paul.harmon@dbb.catholic.edu.au>

Hey Ellen,
When you select the text you should get the small drag 'dots' on each
corner. Hold your finger on one of those and drag it over the paragraph you
require.
Cheers
Paul


On 28/06/11 10:35 AM, "Ellen Sheerin" <esheerin at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Made the commitment to only take the iPad with me on holiday. 90% of the tim
> perfect - light to carry, great to work with BUT running into a few issues.
> 
> Any tips/suggestions to help out -no I haven't googled yet.
> 
> How do you select a block of text?  One or two paragraphs in a document say. I
> can select a word or sometimes a phrase or the whole thing nothing in between.
> 
> Ellen in sunny Philadelphia where you need a jumper inside due to air
> conditioning!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From leigh.finney at compnow.com.au  Tue Jun 28 12:34:57 2011
From: leigh.finney at compnow.com.au (Leigh Finney)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:34:57 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 

Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 

I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?

I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.

Let the discussion begin...
> 
> 

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From mallee at mac.com  Tue Jun 28 13:14:13 2011
From: mallee at mac.com (Mal Lee)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:14:13 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Leigh

One of the great features of the Internet is that it allows people to quickly do their homework and to check the research before venturing in the public domain with their own ideas

Likewise one of the great attributes of a profession like education and teaching - like all other professions - is that it is based on solid research

While it is appreciated that everyone who has gone to school feels themselves to be an expert on education and as such is entitled to venture an opinion my strong 
suggestion is that before asking busy professionals to revisit an issue that has been discussed at some depth on this list since the early 2000's you take a little time to do the homework, to note the plethora of research online, in the journals and increasingly in the publications like those Chris Betcher, Peter Kent and I have written

Then you might become a little aware of the profound impact IWBs have had upon the movement of schooling from its traditional paper teaching to one that is digital across the developed world.

If you'd like any advice on where to look I'd be happy to provide suggestions off list

Kind regards

Mal Lee
On 28/06/2011, at 12:34 PM, Leigh Finney wrote:

> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
> 
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
> 
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
> 
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
> 
> Let the discussion begin...
>> 
>> 
> 
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From edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 13:18:13 2011
From: edegouw at helena.wa.edu.au (Eugene)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:18:13 +0800
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Hi Leigh,

Interactive White Boards
How effective they are depends upon your teaching style, the age of your students and the facilities they have access to.

I feel if your classes are teacher directed and teacher centred which most often occurs in the junior school then an IWB is an excellent tool. Here the focus of the class is on a single computer and directed through the teacher.

If, as occurs more often in ICT classes in secondary schools, where students are using their own computers and the class is working on tasks the IWB has less impact. The teacher will focus the class on occasion demonstrating aspects but rarely do kids have to come out and interact with the display. I?m speaking from an ICT perspective where much of the work is practical, this might be different with other subjects with a greater degree of teacher driven content.

I have seen IWBs used and discarded by our maths department as delivering more problems then solutions and yet I?ve heard another maths teacher praising them as essential tools.

Tablets vs Netbooks
Many schools have had problems with netbooks as they are often produced down to a price and quality can be compromised. Having said that, laptops aren?t nearly as robust and reliable as a desktop computer. Anything that isn?t anchored in place is subject to many more environmental hazards and reliability becomes a problem.

Tablets address many reliability issues as they use solid-state storage and have fewer moving parts like keys, buttons and plugs. They are still subject to abuse as they are mobility devices. Their reliability is still being tested, although I feel they will prove better than most netbooks.

I feel for the average student the tablet will address their needs. For web browsing, communication, multimedia playback and as an eBook a tablet should address the student?s requirements.

IWB vs Tablets
I feel if students are using tablets then the class will be more likely working independently. IWBs are used when the class is focused on the teacher and one computer/ tablet.

My 2?

                      Regards,
                      Eugene
                  

On 28/06/2011, at 10:34 AM, Leigh Finney wrote:

> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
> 
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
> 
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
> 
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
> 
> Let the discussion begin...
>> 
>> 
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From rhysted at mac.com  Tue Jun 28 15:56:41 2011
From: rhysted at mac.com (Rod Hysted)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:56:41 +1000
Subject: [Maced] iPad users
In-Reply-To: <F3FCFAD0-F473-4956-91D9-9910339A5B23@gmail.com>
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Used mine in WA last year, it was fantastic. No probs at all.

I want an ipad 2 now to film/video the journey and edit on the iPad in iMovie... Magic.

Some of the note taking apps are brilliant for a diary, great integration og 

Regards

Rod

PS: When you select a word, 2 dots appear drag them to select the text you want.


Rod Hysted
Assistant Principal
Healesville Primary School

View St, Healesville 3777

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Phone: 613 5962 4053
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On 28/06/2011, at 10:35 AM, Ellen Sheerin wrote:


Made the commitment to only take the iPad with me on holiday. 90% of the tim perfect - light to carry, great to work with BUT running into a few issues. 

Any tips/suggestions to help out -no I haven't googled yet.

How do you select a block of text?  One or two paragraphs in a document say. I can select a word or sometimes a phrase or the whole thing nothing in between. 

Ellen in sunny Philadelphia where you need a jumper inside due to air conditioning!

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From leigh.finney at compnow.com.au  Tue Jun 28 16:07:02 2011
From: leigh.finney at compnow.com.au (Leigh Finney)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:07:02 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Thanks Mal - point taken

I would love to discuss offline

Leigh

On 28/06/2011, at 1:14 PM, Mal Lee wrote:

> Leigh
> 
> One of the great features of the Internet is that it allows people to quickly do their homework and to check the research before venturing in the public domain with their own ideas
> 
> Likewise one of the great attributes of a profession like education and teaching - like all other professions - is that it is based on solid research
> 
> While it is appreciated that everyone who has gone to school feels themselves to be an expert on education and as such is entitled to venture an opinion my strong 
> suggestion is that before asking busy professionals to revisit an issue that has been discussed at some depth on this list since the early 2000's you take a little time to do the homework, to note the plethora of research online, in the journals and increasingly in the publications like those Chris Betcher, Peter Kent and I have written
> 
> Then you might become a little aware of the profound impact IWBs have had upon the movement of schooling from its traditional paper teaching to one that is digital across the developed world.
> 
> If you'd like any advice on where to look I'd be happy to provide suggestions off list
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Mal Lee
> On 28/06/2011, at 12:34 PM, Leigh Finney wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>> 
>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
>> 
>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>> 
>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>> 
>> Let the discussion begin...
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
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From 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 18:38:12 2011
From: 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com (Mark Stone)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:38:12 +0400
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the
IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW'
technology?'

I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to
my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in
what other people think ...

*
http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/
*

I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning
can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet
(or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other
student in the class.

Mark

Mark Stone
GEMS Royal Dubai School
PO Box 121310
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
Fax: +971 4 288 6490

*www.royaldubaischool.com*
*www.twitter.com/gemsrds*

*GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1
-Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.*

On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:

> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new
> technologies'.
>
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an
> electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they,
> generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or
> effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive,
> that do change the above.
>
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered
> is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are
> they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they
> replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing
> it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same
> way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>
> Let the discussion begin...
>
>
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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 18:55:06 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (BrettMoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:55:06 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay.... 

Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.

Brett

On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
> 
> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
> 
> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
> 
> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Stone
> GEMS Royal Dubai School
> PO Box 121310
> Dubai
> United Arab Emirates
> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>  
> www.royaldubaischool.com
> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>  
> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
> 
> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
> 
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
> 
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
> 
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
> 
> Let the discussion begin...
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________
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> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
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From 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 20:16:51 2011
From: 3stonesintripoli at gmail.com (Mark Stone)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:16:51 +0400
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term tomorrow
and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in knowing lots more
about how you go about this and the testing you do. I wish in a way i was
going back to NZ, because I would drop in and see it in action! thanks for
the reply Brett.

Mark

On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:

> Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and
> airplay....
>
> Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this
> concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5
> software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A
> few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are
> replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.
>
> Brett
>
> On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the
> IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW'
> technology?'
>
> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to
> my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in
> what other people think ...
>
> *<http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/>
> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/
> *
>
> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning
> can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet
> (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other
> student in the class.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Stone
> GEMS Royal Dubai School
> PO Box 121310
> Dubai
> United Arab Emirates
> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499 <+971%204%20288%206499>
> Fax: +971 4 288 6490 <+971%204%20288%206490>
>
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>
> *GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1
> -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.*
>
> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney < <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au>
> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new
>> technologies'.
>>
>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an
>> electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they,
>> generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or
>> effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive,
>> that do change the above.
>>
>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered
>> is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are
>> they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they
>> replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>>
>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are
>> doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the
>> same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>>
>> Let the discussion begin...
>>
>>
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From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jun 28 21:37:54 2011
From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Perhaps the power of the IWB can be summed up by this:
Innovative teachers will embrace it as a tool of many opportunities.
Less adventurous teachers will look at the large reminder to use technology in the prime space of their rooms.
Even if they only use it to show YouTube, the kids will be richer for the experience.
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From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jun 28 21:42:48 2011
From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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 Agree with Mal on this 100 percent!
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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 21:45:29 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (BrettMoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:45:29 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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If any of my staff simply used technology to do nothing more than "show a YouTube clip" I would be concerned and certainly not feel that the student's learning was any "richer" for the experience!

Brett

On 28/06/2011, at 9:38 PM, "Dave Hounsell" <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Perhaps the power of the IWB can be summed up by this:
> Innovative teachers will embrace it as a tool of many opportunities.
> Less adventurous teachers will look at the large reminder to use technology in the prime space of their rooms.
> Even if they only use it to show YouTube, the kids will be richer for the experience.
> 
> From: Mark Stone <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com>; 
> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools 
> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:38:12 AM 
> 
> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
> 
> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
> 
> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
> 
> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Stone
> GEMS Royal Dubai School
> PO Box 121310
> Dubai
> United Arab Emirates
> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>  
> www.royaldubaischool.com
> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>  
> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
> 
> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
> 
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
> 
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
> 
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
> 
> Let the discussion begin...
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________
> 
> Leigh Finney
> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
> 
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From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jun 28 21:51:20 2011
From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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 Our staff too Brett. But the point I am making is that IWBs shoehorn reluctant teachers into regular technology use.
Also as a private school you get to select your staff - not all state schools have that luxury!
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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 21:54:16 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (BrettMoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:54:16 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Always welcome Mark - Long way to travel to see an iPad an apple tv though! Keeping it simple and just waiting to see what kids and teachers do with it. 

Can afford to do that when u don't spend big bucks on plastering IWBs on every flat surface in the school! 

Brett

On 28/06/2011, at 8:17 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:

> O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term tomorrow and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in knowing lots more about how you go about this and the testing you do. I wish in a way i was going back to NZ, because I would drop in and see it in action! thanks for the reply Brett.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
> Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay.... 
> 
> Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.
> 
> Brett
> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
>> 
>> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
>> 
>> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
>> 
>> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Mark Stone
>> GEMS Royal Dubai School
>> PO Box 121310
>> Dubai
>> United Arab Emirates
>> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
>> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>>  
>> www.royaldubaischool.com
>> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>>  
>> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
>> 
>> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>> 
>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
>> 
>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>> 
>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>> 
>> Let the discussion begin...
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________
>> 
>> Leigh Finney
>> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
>> 
>> Computers Now
>> 222 Pacific Highway 
>> Crows Nest
>> NSW 2065
>> t: (02) 9951 7979
>> f: (02) 9682 4325
>> 
>> Online Service Portal
>> Onsite Job Request
>> Apple Consultants Network
>> Mac & PC Onsite Technical Services
>> Subscribe for Updates
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>> 
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> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Tue Jun 28 21:58:17 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (BrettMoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:58:17 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Ah yes the apparent utopia that is private schools!! Going to let that slide - off topic!

That is one expensive shoehorn!

Maybe if I give students a gold tip fountain pen they may stop being reluctant writers?

Brett

On 28/06/2011, at 9:52 PM, "Dave Hounsell" <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Our staff too Brett. But the point I am making is that IWBs shoehorn reluctant teachers into regular technology use.
> Also as a private school you get to select your staff - not all state schools have that luxury!
> 
> From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>; 
> To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools 
> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:45:29 AM 
> 
> If any of my staff simply used technology to do nothing more than "show a YouTube clip" I would be concerned and certainly not feel that the student's learning was any "richer" for the experience!
> 
> Brett
> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 9:38 PM, "Dave Hounsell" <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps the power of the IWB can be summed up by this:
>> Innovative teachers will embrace it as a tool of many opportunities.
>> Less adventurous teachers will look at the large reminder to use technology in the prime space of their rooms.
>> Even if they only use it to show YouTube, the kids will be richer for the experience.
>> 
>> From: Mark Stone <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com>; 
>> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
>> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools 
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:38:12 AM 
>> 
>> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
>> 
>> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
>> 
>> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
>> 
>> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Mark Stone
>> GEMS Royal Dubai School
>> PO Box 121310
>> Dubai
>> United Arab Emirates
>> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
>> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>>  
>> www.royaldubaischool.com
>> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>>  
>> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
>> 
>> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>> 
>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
>> 
>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>> 
>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>> 
>> Let the discussion begin...
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________
>> 
>> Leigh Finney
>> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
>> 
>> Computers Now
>> 222 Pacific Highway 
>> Crows Nest
>> NSW 2065
>> t: (02) 9951 7979
>> f: (02) 9682 4325
>> 
>> Online Service Portal
>> Onsite Job Request
>> Apple Consultants Network
>> Mac & PC Onsite Technical Services
>> Subscribe for Updates
>> 
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From: larrytay at optusnet.com.au (Larry Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:52:14 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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My main concern with IWB's is their potential to become teacher centric devices despite the best intentions of those involved. I think mobile devices have already bypassed less mobile ones whatever their moment in time benefits. I see IWB's as nothing more than an interactive version of and the latest in a long line of devices that basically support classrooms with the teacher at the centre. At their simplest they represent a somewhat familiar format that doesn't require a major rethink of the role of a teacher whereas mobile devices although equally able to be mishandled require a complete reassessment of how to use them to enable learning and there's not much room for teacher centred approaches. 

Larry

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On 28/06/2011, at 9:58 PM, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:

> Ah yes the apparent utopia that is private schools!! Going to let that slide - off topic!
> 
> That is one expensive shoehorn!
> 
> Maybe if I give students a gold tip fountain pen they may stop being reluctant writers?
> 
> Brett
> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 9:52 PM, "Dave Hounsell" <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Our staff too Brett. But the point I am making is that IWBs shoehorn reluctant teachers into regular technology use.
>> Also as a private school you get to select your staff - not all state schools have that luxury!
>> 
>> From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>;                            
>> To: maced at zeus.as.edu.au <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
>> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools 
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:45:29 AM 
>> 
>> If any of my staff simply used technology to do nothing more than "show a YouTube clip" I would be concerned and certainly not feel that the student's learning was any "richer" for the experience!
>> 
>> Brett
>> 
>> On 28/06/2011, at 9:38 PM, "Dave Hounsell" <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps the power of the IWB can be summed up by this:
>>> Innovative teachers will embrace it as a tool of many opportunities.
>>> Less adventurous teachers will look at the large reminder to use technology in the prime space of their rooms.
>>> Even if they only use it to show YouTube, the kids will be richer for the experience.
>>> 
>>> From: Mark Stone <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com>; 
>>> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
>>> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools 
>>> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:38:12 AM 
>>> 
>>> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
>>> 
>>> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
>>> 
>>> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Mark Stone
>>> GEMS Royal Dubai School
>>> PO Box 121310
>>> Dubai
>>> United Arab Emirates
>>> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
>>> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>>>  
>>> www.royaldubaischool.com
>>> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>>>  
>>> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
>>> 
>>> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>>> 
>>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
>>> 
>>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>>> 
>>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>>> 
>>> Let the discussion begin...
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From esheerin at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 22:39:52 2011
From: esheerin at gmail.com (Ellen Sheerin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Maced] iPad users
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Thanks everyone. Will try today

Ellen
Freezing in the theatre ready for the opening keynote at iste Philadelphia 


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On 27/06/2011, at 8:38 PM, Paul Harmon <paul.harmon at dbb.catholic.edu.au> wrote:

> Hey Ellen,
> When you select the text you should get the small drag 'dots' on each
> corner. Hold your finger on one of those and drag it over the paragraph you
> require.
> Cheers
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 28/06/11 10:35 AM, "Ellen Sheerin" <esheerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Made the commitment to only take the iPad with me on holiday. 90% of the tim
>> perfect - light to carry, great to work with BUT running into a few issues.
>> 
>> Any tips/suggestions to help out -no I haven't googled yet.
>> 
>> How do you select a block of text?  One or two paragraphs in a document say. I
>> can select a word or sometimes a phrase or the whole thing nothing in between.
>> 
>> Ellen in sunny Philadelphia where you need a jumper inside due to air
>> conditioning!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From esheerin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 02:00:13 2011
From: esheerin at gmail.com (Ellen Sheerin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:00:13 -0400
Subject: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW
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Certainly learning online 24/7/365 is something many of us do now. There are teachers who don't and we do need to reach them somehow. 

Just spent some time in the exhibition here at iste 2011 and what stood out is the number of people selling online assessment 
So many things here are driven by test scores. 
One thing ICTENSW can do as an organization is provide a voice to counter some of this skill/ test focus and get creativity and freedom to encourage teachers and students to learn, create and innovate. 
We also provide a platform for teachers to share ideas and resources. 
If you don't like what is happening with the group or want to influence it's progress dint whine about it get involved and have an effect. 

We are trying to provide resources and material to improve the level and type of technology use in schools but we need your ideas and help to do this well. 

Join us and help everyone. 

Ellen  (ICTENSW director)

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On 28/06/2011, at 7:42 AM, Dave Hounsell <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Agree with Mal on this 100 percent!
> 
> From: Mal Lee <mallee at mac.com>; 
> To: <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>; 
> Subject: Re: [Maced] Facebook and Twitter entities for ICTENSW 
> Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:36:30 PM 
> 
> Have to agree with Warren
> 
> For sure have a subject group to discuss the subject called computer science
> 
> But if - as most of the discussions are here - one wants to promote the astute use of the digital from the pre-primary years onwards in everyday teaching and administration   look as Warren suggests to involving every teacher -- and indeed most of the professional support staff
> 
> A stats to bear in mind
> 
> The young learn 24/7/365
> 
> They assist that learning by using a ever more sophisticated suite of digital technology virtually all the time they are awake every day of the year
> 
> Current schooling occupies less than 20% of the young's waking time each year.  The sums reveal it is more like 16%
> 
> The rest of the time - 80% plus - they use their technology largely unfettered
> 
> School use of the digital thus constitutes only a minor place in its overall use
> 
> Then bear in mind many schools/authorities markedly restrict 'net access in the school - and still limit computer use to a couple of classes
> 
> Little is the wonder why the research from the late 90's has been revealing it is in the home the young acquire and develop most of their digital skills - good and iffy
> 
> Might it be time to cease looking inward and to use the educational - as well as the technical expertise - of groups like this to assist the astute 24/7/365 use of the digital by the young?
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mal 
> On 28/06/2011, at 8:15 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 28/06/2011, at 7:50 AM, Mal Lee wrote:
>> 
>>> Smart a...
>>> 
>>> Just because you got a letter in the SMH!
>>> 
>>> Mal
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> But seriously, I thought we were (or should be) past the stage of the need for a group "representing technology-using educators".
>> 
>> Isn't that representing every teacher? Every Principal? Every school director? Every curriculum consultant?
>> 
>> Over the years I have seen the effects of separating 'technology' from the core curriculum. Remember the Computer Skills Assessment test in NSW? We had schools madly implementing a whole new KLA, installing computer labs to train kids in low-level skills to 'pass the test'.
>> 
>> It sounds a bit cliche I know, but ICT should be embedded in every facet of the curriculum. Promoting groups such as ICTENSW only further alienates new technologies from adoption by regular teachers in classrooms.
>> 
>> We are better served by education leaders such as Principals, directors and consultants modelling the use of new technologies to support learning environments.
>> 
>> Warren
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28/06/2011, at 7:17 AM, Warren McCullough wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 28/06/2011, at 1:51 AM, martin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> For those who are not aware, ICTENSW (http://ictensw.org.au) is the name of the group representing technology using educators in NSW.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've always been worried about the interests of the technology that is using educators in NSW!
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe we need another group representing the educators being used by the technology.
>>>> 
>>>> :-)
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From hounselltech at yahoo.com.au  Wed Jun 29 10:48:02 2011
From: hounselltech at yahoo.com.au (Dave Hounsell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:48:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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LCDs are great for video and showcasing and iPads have a lot to offer.But LCDs are a different tool to an IWB.
IWBs excel at enriching Maths expository for instance - depending on the skill of the teacher.And there is still a big role for explicit concept teaching.


--- On Tue, 28/6/11, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:

From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
To: "maced at zeus.as.edu.au" <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
Received: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 9:54 PM

Always welcome Mark - Long way to travel to see an iPad an apple tv though! Keeping it simple and just waiting to see what kids and teachers do with it.?
Can afford to do that when u don't spend big bucks on plastering IWBs on every flat surface in the school!?
Brett
On 28/06/2011, at 8:17 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:

O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term tomorrow and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in knowing lots more about how you go about this and the testing you do. I wish in a way i was going back to NZ, because I would drop in and see it in action! thanks for the reply Brett.

Mark

On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:

Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay....?
Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.


Brett
On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:


I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?'?

I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ...?

http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/

?
I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class.?


Mark


Mark Stone

GEMS Royal Dubai School

PO Box 121310

Dubai

United Arab Emirates

Tel:? +971 4 288 6499

Fax: +971 4 288 6490

?

www.royaldubaischool.com

www.twitter.com/gemsrds

?

GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.


On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:


Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'.?
Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?

This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally, ?do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above.?


I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?


I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.


Let the discussion begin...








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From kel at edugator.net.au  Wed Jun 29 11:57:28 2011
From: kel at edugator.net.au (kel at edugator.net.au)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:57:28 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Heard an interesting podcast recently on climate change - the general  
feeling around the world is mixed on this topic. The reality of the  
topic is that every climate change scientist agrees on this issue. The  
naysaying is all coming from people outside the field - yet it is  
enough to cast doubt on the issue.

I think it is a very close analogy to IWBs. Those who use them and  
have invested the time to research and develop their own skills pretty  
well unanimously find them a valuable addition to their classroom.

The naysayers generally have not put in the classroomn time with an  
IWB and have far more opinion than experience in this area. The same  
can be said for the use of any technology.

Who is any of us to dismiss any group that is making a difference in  
their classroom through the use of any technology - including Windows  
users : )

Kel




Quoting Dave Hounsell <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au>:

> LCDs are great for video and showcasing and iPads have a lot to  
> offer.But LCDs are a different tool to an IWB.
> IWBs excel at enriching Maths expository for instance - depending on  
> the skill of the teacher.And there is still a big role for explicit  
> concept teaching.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 28/6/11, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
>
> From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
> To: "maced at zeus.as.edu.au" <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
> Received: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 9:54 PM
>
> Always welcome Mark - Long way to travel to see an iPad an apple tv  
> though! Keeping it simple and just waiting to see what kids and  
> teachers do with it.?
> Can afford to do that when u don't spend big bucks on plastering  
> IWBs on every flat surface in the school!?
> Brett
> On 28/06/2011, at 8:17 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term  
> tomorrow and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in  
> knowing lots more about how you go about this and the testing you  
> do. I wish in a way i was going back to NZ, because I would drop in  
> and see it in action! thanks for the reply Brett.
>
> Mark
>
> On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay....?
> Our school has done some app development and we just started testing  
> this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the  
> beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works  
> wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very  
> much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs  
> with an apple tv unit.
>
>
> Brett
> On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using  
> the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And  
> 'NEW' technology?'?
>
> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is  
> music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really  
> interested in what other people think ...?
>
> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/
>
> ?
> I am looking forward to the day when a students  
> research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the  
> front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then  
> compared in the same way with any other student in the class.?
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Stone
>
> GEMS Royal Dubai School
>
> PO Box 121310
>
> Dubai
>
> United Arab Emirates
>
> Tel:? +971 4 288 6499
>
> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
>
> ?
>
> www.royaldubaischool.com
>
> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
>
> ?
>
> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education,  
> FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
>
>
> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new  
> technologies'.?
> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an  
> electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>
> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they,  
> generally, ?do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency  
> or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less  
> expensive, that do change the above.?
>
>
> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have  
> encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited  
> to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people  
> doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>
>
> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they  
> are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies  
> in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and  
> pencils.
>
>
> Let the discussion begin...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________
>
>
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>
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From bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au  Wed Jun 29 12:17:41 2011
From: bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au (Brett Moller)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:17:41 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Sometimes naysayers have such opinions because they actually have studied the facts and had an open mind to whatever comes their way.  Be carefull making a judgement on all folk who question a particular technology.  I have always said if someone uses anything to help engage and teach kids well then it is a great tool.  But always make sure you can back up your claim....  I would love to see video of lessons where all this amazing engagment is happening - with any technology!  Student testomony etc etc.... 



On 29/06/2011, at 11:57 AM, kel at edugator.net.au wrote:

> Heard an interesting podcast recently on climate change - the general feeling around the world is mixed on this topic. The reality of the topic is that every climate change scientist agrees on this issue. The naysaying is all coming from people outside the field - yet it is enough to cast doubt on the issue.
> 
> I think it is a very close analogy to IWBs. Those who use them and have invested the time to research and develop their own skills pretty well unanimously find them a valuable addition to their classroom.
> 
> The naysayers generally have not put in the classroomn time with an IWB and have far more opinion than experience in this area. The same can be said for the use of any technology.
> 
> Who is any of us to dismiss any group that is making a difference in their classroom through the use of any technology - including Windows users : )
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> Kel
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> Quoting Dave Hounsell <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au>:
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>> LCDs are great for video and showcasing and iPads have a lot to offer.But LCDs are a different tool to an IWB.
>> IWBs excel at enriching Maths expository for instance - depending on the skill of the teacher.And there is still a big role for explicit concept teaching.
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Tue, 28/6/11, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
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>> From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
>> To: "maced at zeus.as.edu.au" <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
>> Received: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 9:54 PM
>> 
>> Always welcome Mark - Long way to travel to see an iPad an apple tv though! Keeping it simple and just waiting to see what kids and teachers do with it. 
>> Can afford to do that when u don't spend big bucks on plastering IWBs on every flat surface in the school! 
>> Brett
>> On 28/06/2011, at 8:17 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term tomorrow and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in knowing lots more about how you go about this and the testing you do. I wish in a way i was going back to NZ, because I would drop in and see it in action! thanks for the reply Brett.
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>> Mark
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>> On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
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>> Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay.... 
>> Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.
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>> Brett
>> On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
>> 
>> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
>> 
>> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/
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>>  
>> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
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>> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
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>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
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>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
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>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
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>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
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From esheerin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 12:26:23 2011
From: esheerin at gmail.com (Ellen Sheerin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:26:23 -0400
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Following along from this a comment from one of the students at today's keynote "he made it fun" sometimes learning is work, can't always be fun yet this seems to be a "target" as if it is the be all and end all of education

Ellen

Sent from my iPad

On 28/06/2011, at 8:48 PM, Dave Hounsell <hounselltech at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> LCDs are great for video and showcasing and iPads have a lot to offer.
> But LCDs are a different tool to an IWB.
> 
> IWBs excel at enriching Maths expository for instance - depending on the skill of the teacher.
> And there is still a big role for explicit concept teaching.
> 
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> 
> --- On Tue, 28/6/11, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
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> From: BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
> To: "maced at zeus.as.edu.au" <maced at zeus.as.edu.au>
> Received: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 9:54 PM
> 
> Always welcome Mark - Long way to travel to see an iPad an apple tv though! Keeping it simple and just waiting to see what kids and teachers do with it. 
> 
> Can afford to do that when u don't spend big bucks on plastering IWBs on every flat surface in the school! 
> 
> Brett
> 
> On 28/06/2011, at 8:17 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> O that has made my day ! Brilliant ! ... its the last day of term tomorrow and we go to the Summer break ... I would be interested in knowing lots more about how you go about this and the testing you do. I wish in a way i was going back to NZ, because I would drop in and see it in action! thanks for the reply Brett.
>> 
>> Mark
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>> On 28 June 2011 12:55, BrettMoller <bmoller at kingscollege.qld.edu.au> wrote:
>> Mark I think your last scenario is very possible with iOS 5 and airplay.... 
>> 
>> Our school has done some app development and we just started testing this concept with our development iPads and apple tv all running the beta ios5 software... What u explain below has been tested and works wonderfully... A few bugs to be ironed out in the process but very much the reason we are replacing data projectors with LED smart TVs with an apple tv unit.
>> 
>> Brett
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>> On 28/06/2011, at 6:38 PM, "Mark Stone" <3stonesintripoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have to agree with you Leigh. To be fair, there are teachers using the IWBs very effectively. However, how interactive are they? And 'NEW' technology?' 
>>> 
>>> I read and interesting Blog post this week, that I have to say is music to my ears. It certainly sums up what i think ... I am really interested in what other people think ... 
>>> 
>>> http://www.ictsteps.com/2011/05/switching-off-the-interactive-white-board-for-good/  
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to the day when a students research/discovery/learning can be flashed up on the screen in the front of the class from their tablet (or whatever device) and then compared in the same way with any other student in the class. 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Mark Stone
>>> GEMS Royal Dubai School
>>> PO Box 121310
>>> Dubai
>>> United Arab Emirates
>>> Tel:  +971 4 288 6499
>>> Fax: +971 4 288 6490
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>>> www.royaldubaischool.com
>>> www.twitter.com/gemsrds
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>>> GEMS Royal Dubai School provides the very best of British education, FS1 -Year 6, in the Mirdif area of Dubai.
>>> 
>>> On 28 June 2011 06:34, Leigh Finney <leigh.finney at compnow.com.au> wrote:
>>> Has anyone looked at the teaching paradigms of really using 'new technologies'. 
>>> 
>>> Are interactive whiteboards effective 'new technologies' or just an electronic propagation of industrial revolution type training?
>>> This may be a bit harsh but I have an unsupported feeling that they, generally,  do not change teaching practice or increase efficiency or effectiveness. Furthermore there may be other technologies, less expensive, that do change the above. 
>>> 
>>> I have seen EWB's used interactively but mostly the use I have encountered is not too inspiring. Are tablet computers better suited to education? Are they more effective than NetBooks? What are people doing with them. Can they replace or enhance EWB use? How?
>>> 
>>> I ask these questions to find out what people are doing, how they are doing it and what gets in the way of using advanced technologies in much the same way as other technologies like rulers, pens and pencils.
>>> 
>>> Let the discussion begin...
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> leigh.finney at compnow.com.au
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From mallee at mac.com  Wed Jun 29 15:15:12 2011
From: mallee at mac.com (Mal Lee)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:15:12 +1000
Subject: [Maced] The Impact of Technology
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Dear colleagues

On reflecting on the recent comments about the impact of the technology - and in this instance IWBs - I thought it would be worth sharing with you some observations that have hit home while researching the impact of the digital over the last two decades

The first is the on-going propensity to look at and judge a technology on only a micro facet of schooling - the impact of the particular technology on classroom teaching

Related is the general simplicity of the question - for rarely is the question directed at the impact upon a specific area of the curriculum or age level - whether one is teaching kids with autism, learning difficulties, are of a particular culture or the teacher is preparing the kids for a paper based external exam

The second is the failure to address the macro scene - and the impact of the digital upon the nature and form of schooling - and indeed upon the learning of young in general

The latter shortcoming is pronounced

You have only to reflect for a few seconds to appreciate the profound impact the ever more sophisticated digital has had upon your lives - your lesson preparation - your teaching - and yet rarely is that impact considered let alone researched

You are probably aware that in 2009 I had published a work that examined The Use of Instructional Technology in Schools that examined the use by teachers - or more aptly the non use - of the key instructional technologies of the last 100 years

The impact on learning question was put by Pathe with silent 16 mm film in 1916 - and by virtually every company and teacher since.

It is a very micro level focus 

It implies some magic bullet solution - which we all know is daft

That totally disregards the plethora of other variables that also impact on each student's learning

We now know that by far the most important variable is not the tool used - but the quality of the teacher and teaching

We also know the home learning culture - and in particular the mother's level of education - have a profound impact

What most of the questions - and indeed much of the the wider research doesn't do is examine the macro impact of the technology - on all the school operations and upon learning in general in and out of the school

In brief the tendency is to examine what is on the ground under the trees without considering whether the forest itself is changing

In the case of the digital its wider impact upon the shape and nature of schooling is immense in the pathfinding schools - the forest is changing 

Few for example ask questions about the impact of broadband on teaching or school operations - but as Balanskat (2006) and I'm sure you'd appreciate the move from a 56k connection to vast pipes has already had a vast impact on the nature of schooling and learning in general

Similarly 'Net access in the home - no matter what kind of computer - has a profound impact on student attainment (Chowdry, 2009) 

Meredyth and her team identified as far back as 1998 the young develop their digital skills primarily in the home - not the school. One look at the figures I provided and one can understand why

The greatest impact - the revolutionary impact - of IWBs is their role in taking all the teachers on staff from a paper to digital teaching base - in achieving digital take off - and in turn having the whole school go digital

Once an organisation moves from a paper to a digital base - be it a bank, a hospital or a school - it will move from an era of constancy and continuity to one of on-going, often rapid change and evolution (Lee, TPE, 2010) 

As the technology changes so too does the nature and workings of the organisation

That is what is happening with the pathfinding schools globally today

A number on this list are in schools in that situation - and are moving at pace to the networked mode and are beginning to provide an ever more holistic 24/7/365 'schooling'.

But the key is the readiness that comes from all the teachers normalising the everyday use of the digital - and they being ready attitudinally and competence wise to reach out and network and collaborate 

Bear in mind in 2011 still the most commonly used instructional technologies by teachers across the OECD are the pen, paper and the teaching board - be it black, green or white

Get all on staff - and I stress all - normaiising the use of the digital in their everyday teaching then you are moving your school - and teaching and learning - into a still as yet relatively rare situation and positioning it to grasp a host of educational, social development, economic and political opportunities.

The simple point that I'll be trying to make look not simply at the teaching changes brought out by the one tool - for they will be statistically insignificant

Even when one uses a suite of technologies - as most now do - the impact will likely be miniscule unless the total school culture is conducive to learning

It is a case of get up in the helicopter and identify the many other areas where that technology is impacting - where significant change is occurring - not only here but globally.

Cheers

Mal


On 29/06/2011, at 10:26 AM, Leigh Finney wrote:

> Hi Mal
> 
> I was a bit surprised at the strength of your objection to my discussion starter. I qualified my comments as non empirical but I have not just rattled anything off without thought.
> 
> I have 20 years driving technology in Education. Using technologies as they became available. Including text base internet before the web, fax machines, early Apples, Microbees, Ataris, BBC Archimedes, Commodore, Windows based computers. I built the first school network in MEt East Region. I have been a NSW DET Computer Education Consultant and written several modules of the TILT program. But that is all past history. 
> 
> My concern, and the reason for starting the discussion is the adoption of any technology without proper thought into implications and effectiveness. The paradigm of "teaching information" has philosophically been replaced by "constructing knowledge" and most of the research over the last 20 years has reinforced a growing trend towards self directed learning with the teacher in a support role. BUT general practice does not always match the research.
> 
> Now for the foundation of the post. Even though I have installed IWBs, taught using IWBs and trained teachers in the effective use of IWBs I do not feel this technology reflects the true shift in educational requirements. It tends to propagate "old" information delivery, teacher centric delivery and could be replicated without high tech equipment in a classroom.
> 
> What I am wanting teachers to explore is the use of technologies that actually make a positive change in the way things are done. To really look at  what they are doing, how they are doing it, does this technology allow me to do something I couldn't before and how to make learning more effective, fun, useful. Only some of this involves technology. 
> 
> I believe with the development of iPad and other tablet type computing we can see the beginning of a move to constructivism. But only if teachers keep looking at the learning process otherwise it will be just another expensive toy like the IWB.
> 
> Just thought I'd like to give you a bit of background. I believe we are working for the same thing - better education. 
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From: GEOFFREY.WALES at det.nsw.edu.au (Wales, Geoffrey)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:54:45 +1000
Subject: [Maced] MacBook Pro - buying advice
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I would like some advice on ways to get a discount on a MacBook Pro.

Can I buy for myself through my school at the DET price? Can I get a teacher discount from an Apple reseller, or should I buy from Apple online?

Is it better to get an SSD model, or buy and add later? 

The MacBooks are due for an update - should I wait and see what they're like?

Thanks,

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From jocknjo1 at bigpond.com  Wed Jun 29 21:58:52 2011
From: jocknjo1 at bigpond.com (Jock Webb)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:58:52 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Technologies used in schools
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Won't go down the private school road or I'll never stop, but Brett 
Dave is right  on this.  I have seen it happen in several cases and 
seen my own practice develop from a fixer to something more useful as 
well. I think however that there are many other issues that need to 
be addressed with it, because often the IWB rollout is unsupported by 
professional development and there is nil time given to become basics 
proficient so that you can move to the next level easily.
Jock


From jocknjo1 at bigpond.com  Wed Jun 29 21:48:44 2011
From: jocknjo1 at bigpond.com (Jock Webb)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:48:44 +1000
Subject: [Maced] Google Docs blocked?
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In NSW it would almost be guaranteed I should think. I heard a school 
principal today saying how moving away from macs was such a great 
step while the principal and CC were both cuddling apparently 
indispensable school owned iPads!!
Jock


From rblit at iinet.net.au  Thu Jun 30 08:37:50 2011
From: rblit at iinet.net.au (Rod Blitvich)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:37:50 +0800
Subject: [Maced] MacBook Pro - buying advice
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macrumours buyers guide

no
yes
maybe
?
macbooks due for update, not sure MBPros will get update as soon. Rumour of cool macbook airs in 2 weeks.

blitto

Rod Blitvich 
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On 29/06/2011, at 6:54 PM, Wales, Geoffrey wrote:

> I would like some advice on ways to get a discount on a MacBook Pro.
> 
> Can I buy for myself through my school at the DET price? Can I get a teacher discount from an Apple reseller, or should I buy from Apple online?
> 
> Is it better to get an SSD model, or buy and add later? 
> 
> The MacBooks are due for an update - should I wait and see what they're like?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geoff Wales
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From steweyau at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 09:06:11 2011
From: steweyau at gmail.com (Greg Stewart)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:06:11 +1000
Subject: [Maced] MacBook Pro - buying advice
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Also have a look at the refurbished store. If they are updating there could be deals in there. Don't forget the education store as well. 

Greg  

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On 29/06/2011, at 8:54 PM, "Wales, Geoffrey" <GEOFFREY.WALES at det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:

> I would like some advice on ways to get a discount on a MacBook Pro.
> 
> Can I buy for myself through my school at the DET price? Can I get a teacher discount from an Apple reseller, or should I buy from Apple online?
> 
> Is it better to get an SSD model, or buy and add later? 
> 
> The MacBooks are due for an update - should I wait and see what they're like?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geoff Wales
> **********************************************************************
> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain
> privileged information or confidential information or both. If you
> are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender.
> **********************************************************************
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Maced mailing list
> Maced at zeus.as.edu.au
> http://zeus.as.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/maced